Synfire Users Collaboration

A while ago, the idea of establishing local Synfire user groups was born. I followed the further course of things with interest, however I was a bit skeptical whether this could work. The users of Synfire are located widely spread over the planet and maybe currently there is not yet a "critical mass" of users who are interested in such meetings.

But even if there were enough people, there are also other points that would need to be sorted out before a meeting. For example what would we talk about at the meeting? If there isn't an agenda, a meeting can easily be quite ineffective and unsatisfactory.

It would probably be the best, if the meeting were some kind of a workshop. Maybe we could all work on a common project there. Everyone could tell his ideas how our example project could be developed further and then all these ideas could be tried out to see what works. And while we work on our common project we would certainly get into discussions about workflows, etc. But as I said: There are probably not enough people for that.

That's why I was thinking, whether it would be possible to establish some kind of a virtual Synfire user group, rather than to organize real meetings.

I think that could be quite fun. Someone of that group could post a project draft, then we would discuss how the project could be elaborated. Then everyone would try out something in his own studio and post the result. Then the debate would go to the next round, and so on. At the end we would probably come up with some kind of a result, maybe a great song and if not, so what, the next try perhaps will give a better result.

What do others think? Any interest in this? I know everyone pursues his own agenda and has his own projects, but a few hours every now and then everyone could invest in that venture for sure. And of course everyone can participate as long and hard as he wants.

Well, I will not deny that I also see some difficulties: We all have different musical interests and backgrounds. If we, for example, try to produce an EDM track, maybe not everyone will join in enthusiastically. On the other hand, I imagine that there are enough experimental spirits especially among the Synfire-users, who are ready to try out something new.

Another, more serious difficulty is that we all have different studio setups. And unfortunatly Synfire does not come with its own sounds which we could use as a common basis. A common basis of sounds however would be essential to enable this project to succeed. If everyone works only with his own sounds, it is impossible to effectively work on a joint project.

As I assume that no one feels like to buy sounds especially for this venture, I was thinking about that perhaps we could use the sounds of freely available demo libraries. The best free demo library that I know is that one that comes with the (also free) Kontakt Player of Native Instruments. It's called Factory Selection Library. It contains 50 sounds and drum kits with which you already can do a lot. To demonstrate this, I have prepared three sample projects (see my next post). Another option would be the free library of the new Sample Tank 3. But I haven't tried that yet.

I've prepared a sound setup file that loads all sounds of the NI Factory Selection Library into a global rack (see attached file NI_Kontakt_FactorySelection.cogsetup). The first task for those who want to join in would be to get this global rack up and running. But please note: Make sure that you first save your current setup before you try to load that setup file!!! (Playback >> Audio&Midi Setup >> File >> Save As)

If you have already installed the Kontakt Player or the full version of Kontakt 5 and the Kontakt Factory Selection Library, the setup file possibly could work straightaway. Note that it doesn't work with the standard Factory Library of the full version of Kontakt. You would need to install the Factory Selection Library additionally. However that can be a challenge. It took me several attempts to install the Factory Selection Library together with the full Factory Library in Kontakt 5. Probably this is not provided by Native Instruments. The Factory Selection Library was always deleted after every new startup of Kontakt. In the end I did it, but I can not tell you how.

If you have managed to install the sound library and to load the setup file into Synfire you will find 5 rack modules, one for each of the five sound categories of the library: Band, Synth, Urban Beats, Vintage and World. If Kontakt or the Kontakt Player and/or the sound presets do not load automatically for some reason (which can be assumed; such things never work at first attempt), then load them manually. If that's necessary you will need the five Kontakt patch files (Kontakt Factory Selection-Band.nkm, ...- Synt.nkm, and so on, see attached ZIP-File) which you'd have to load into the appropriate instances of Kontakt in the Global Rack.

Once you're done with that sound setup you should be able to choose any of these 50 sounds and drum kits at the instrument inspector. And you should be able to play the example arrangements which I have prepared for that setup. I will present them with my next posting.

 

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Well, as I said in the previous post, I have tried to prepare some example projects for this sound setup with the free Kontakt Factory Selection Libary. These projects aim to demonstrate on the one hand, what you can do with this (at first glance quite limited) sound library. On the other hand, the projects are still in work-in-progress-stage. You can use them, for example, to try to develop them further.


If you have loaded the sound setup file from my previous post, then the playback of the arrangement files (for example KontaktPlayer-Track1.cognac) should give exactly the same result as you hear it at my uploaded MP3's (except for Track No. 3, see below), including the effects . The only thing that I've done with the audio files after the export is a quick automatic mastering at landr.com. But that didn't change much. Essentially, it has made it just a bit louder.


Regarding the effects it has to be noted that the instrument specific effects will work only in demo mode if you use the KontaktPlayer instead the full version of Kontakt. That means that they will work only 15 minutes after startup. But I've used those effects only sparingly in these projects, so this does not make much difference.


The sounds of the Kontakt Factory Selection Libary are apparently designed mostly for electronic music, such as dance tracks or chill out pieces. That's why I have tried to create something in that styles. However, I'm a complete newbie in that music styles, so please bear with me ;)

 

Track No.1

file: KontaktPlayer-Track1.cognac

This is sort of a calm chill out piece. If you open the arrangement you will probably be a bit surprized how it looks like. I made a little fun here and emulated the look and feel of a DAW. :-) Each instrument has got its own container that is streched over the entire length of the piece. The phrases for the instruments are located in sub-containers within that "instrument track containers". Above all these "instrument track containers" there is a container named "Chord Track", it holds the harmony parameter. The root container holds the the tempo and scheme parameters. We could call it tempo and signature track. Doesn't that look very similar to a DAW? Well, I can't say that this arrangement style is my preferate way of working. But if you prefer the more linear workflow of a DAW then you can use that workflow in Synfire too.

Currently, the piece is still quite short, only about 1:30 minutes. So if you want to elaborate it, the first task would probably be to make it longer. By the way: The figure for the instrument "Upright bass" is from Synfire's example libary. Also the harmonic progression is from the example templates, it's the template "Subtle Changes".

 

Track No.2
file: KontaktPlayer-Track2.cognac

That shall be a short draft of a dance track. There's plenty of room to improve and to expand that piece. Currently it has only a few instruments. It would need more instruments and of course it should be longer. If anyone feels like he is welcome to deal with it.

That arrangement demonstrates more than track No. 1 my usual workflow. Usually there is one long container per section that holds the main phrases of that section for all instruments or at least for the main instruments. Then that container is surrounded by several "satellite containers" that are responsible for introducing variations or additional instruments. These "satellite containers" can hold phrases for individual instruments or combinations of instruments or maybe just a Parameter like Mute or a Variation parameter.

The arrangement of track No.2 has only one single section. Therefore the main phrases are stored at the root container that plays thoughout the entire piece. The other containers add phrases for individual instruments here and there (the containers "Jazz Organ" and "Persian Ney"), or cause some variation (the container "Lead 1-Variation", which only holds a Variation parameter setting for the lead instrument), or contain just a mute parameter (the container "Drums-Mute", which mutes the drums at the beginning of the piece).


Track No.3
file: KontaktPlayer-Track3.cognac

That track, another attempt of a dance track, is more elaborated than the other two tracks (but there is certainly still enough room for further development and improvment). Unfortunately it does not play correct if you load the file into the actual 1.7.9 version of Synfire. It was made with 1.7.8 and you would need to load it into that version of Synfire if you want to hear exactly the same as you can hear at the MP3. Several instruments play different notes with version 1.7.9 compared to 1.7.8. For example the trumpet at the bars 4 and 14, the instrument "String Melody" at bar 29 and the organ at bar 34. Can't say what's going on there, something at Synfire's rendering engine must be different between 1.7.8 and 1.7.9. Maybe André can take a look.

At this project you can see how my arrangements usually look like: Totally chaotic. This is so, because I use a new container for almost every new operation. Set a mute command - new container, set a variation or interpretation parameter - new container, introduce some harmonic variation - new container. In this way I stay flexible and can push my containers around until it fits. But the arrangement does not look very nice of course.

I've worked much with the Variation parameter here. If you compare the figures of the instrument "Lead-Hard'n Dirty" in the containers "Lead Theme" (starts at bar 19) and "Lead Variation 1" (starts at bar 34) you will notice that they are quite similar. The big difference makes the Variation parameter at the container "Lead Variation 1". You can try it out and delete the Variation parameter. Then you will notice that the lead instrument will play almost the same as at the intro.

Also at the container "Lead Variation 2" the lead instrument is heavily affected by the Variation parameter. However, there the Variation Parameter is not stored directly at the container "Lead Variation 2". Instead, as you can see from the dark green Variation LED, it is inherited from the containers "AA" and "AAA-2" above. Also the final section contains Variation parameters.


I think I've written enough for the moment. Now it would be interesting what others think of the idea of a "Synfire users collaboration group".

 

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Wow, great post Juergen!  You've obviously put a lot of time and effort into this so it deserves some attention.  Plus, you've been a great help to me (and many others) on this forum so hopefully a few more will join in.

It's a shame the SUGs never took off, but this seems like a good alternative.

I've never worked with EDM as it's far from my favourite genre, but I'm willing to give it a go.

My first challenge will be to get the Factory Selection working, as I have the full version of Kontakt but I'll see what I can do.

I don't get a great deal of time to work on Synfire (a few hours here and there) and I'm also deeply into a project of my own at the moment.  But I'll certainly put some time aside for this and I'll keep you posted with progress.

Pete

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Juergen,

this is a fantastic offer and a great idea. Hope to work through some of your ideas over the next two weeks.

I too was saddened by the lack of interest in the user groups. Hopefully though your ideas will prove how much we can all gain from learning from each other.

One thing id add, is check out google hangouts and google hangouts for air. They are both free (the first is just for 10 people), and they allow video and audio conferencing between people across the internet. I think it would be great to take your ideas and have people explain their workflow and others to watch, learn and ask questions. Might prove even more useful than just text? Forgot to add, you can share out the synfire window, you dont need a webcam..just a mic and headset.

ive seen these used to good effect by the community of eigen harp players and think the two ideas woulds go together really well......

someone (you kicked it off) by posting an exercise/tune idea. People go away and make their own ideas based on it, then we come together to either have the best go through their tune/workflow or everyone just to discuss it all.

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Hi Juergen,

I've installed the Factory Selection  Library successfully and I can see it's available in Kontakt - so far so good.

When I selected the rack to download (NI_Kontakt_FactorySelection.cogsetup), it tries to save it as an HTM file for some reason.  However, if I change it to a cogsetup, it looks fine.  But it also prefixed the file with '4899_' so I deleted that bit.

In the global rack, I then need to load the Kontakt 5 plugin manually to each module, but the sounds are not pre-loaded into Kontakt.  I could load them manually and it should work, but I must have done something wrong?

Pete

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Hi Blacksun and petearch,

I knew that I can count on you!  :hello:

 

When I selected the rack to download (NI_Kontakt_FactorySelection.cogsetup), it tries to save it as an HTM file for some reason. 

Interesting! I now also have tried to download it and have the same problem here. I post it again now, packed in a zip-file. 

 

But it also prefixed the file with '4899_' so I deleted that bit.

All files that I have downloaded from the Synfire server always came with such a prefix number. I can't say why, I uploaded it without it. But it doesn't do any harm. 

 

In the global rack, I then need to load the Kontakt 5 plugin manually to each module, but the sounds are not pre-loaded into Kontakt.  I could load them manually and it should work, but I must have done something wrong?

That's what I have anticipated. You haven't done anything wrong, your sample library is probably just located in a different directory at your computer. That's why I have added the .nkm files for the Kontakt sound patches. If these also do not load the sounds automatically, you need to select the correct path for the samples manually. Kontakt should ask you then anyway for the correct path.

 

By the way: I have set up a group "Synfire Collaboration" at soundcloud:

https://soundcloud.com/groups/synfire-collaboration

I imagined that this could be something like a common working space. I will set everyone who joins the group to the status "Moderator" so you can freely upload, edit, replace or delete tracks there.

 

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Still trying to install Kontakt 5..the demo versions is not accepted , because the installer found a earlier install

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Got it working, and all the arrangements play :yeah:  I should have some more time to look closer tomorrow.

Jan, I might be wrong but I don't think you need the demo version, just the free Kontakt Player and the library, which you can get here http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/samplers/kontakt-...

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One small problem (at least for me) which is easily rectified.

If I go to select a sound, all of them show up twice.  This is becuase there is a soundbank for 'Fixed Sounds' and for 'Band' (for example).  So simply deleting the 'Band' soundbank from the Programs tab of the DD resolves the issue.

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One small problem (at least for me) which is easily rectified.

If I go to select a sound, all of them show up twice.  This is becuase there is a soundbank for 'Fixed Sounds' and for 'Band' (for example).  So simply deleting the 'Band' soundbank from the Programs tab of the DD resolves the issue.

Yep, I forgot to mention this. I left these preset settings at the Programs tab, in the case that somebody wants to use them as a template for a different sound assignment. But actually this is redundant. There is a "Kontakt Player" device description template at the programs tab anyway. I've uploaded that DD also to the online repository.

Here is an updated setup file where I have deleted these soundbank presets, so that every sound shows up only once at the instrument inspector. 

 

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It is the  free kontakt player what i tried to install ... but it seems hopeless to get it working
Probably i must use a replacement vsti.  

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Hey Juergen,

Thanks so much for taking the time to contribute this much to the forum. Your effort is highly appreciated. I think the idea of an online collaboration is brilliant.

Before anyone's getting sad: The reason the SUGs didn't take off is we did not promote them via email yet! In many areas, there is sufficient critical mass already. It's only that the majority of users aren't active on this forum, so we need to address them directly. As so often, I did not find the time. We really need more staff.

Regarding virtual SUGs, I have a video conferencing solution to offer. While it was originally intended for webinars with multipliers and investors, it can also serve as a platform for SUGs: http://www.cognitone.com/community/events.stml . Anyone interested in hosting a meeting please just let me know and I'll add the meeting to the database. It will appear listed on that page and the URL can be used to promote the event and for visitors to easily log in after it started.

I imagine that there are enough experimental spirits especially among the Synfire-users, who are ready to try out something new.

Absolutely! I even believe this is the major motivation for trying Synfire in the first place.

I've prepared a sound setup file that loads all sounds of the NI Factory Selection Library into a global rack.

Great approach. If everyone has set up their own rack, it actually need not work cross-platform (Win/OSX). The only important prerequisite is the DDs need to be the same!

There are quite a few free synths and effects that could be added to the rack, too.

That arrangement demonstrates more than track No. 1 my usual workflow. Usually there is one long container per section that holds the main phrases of that section for all instruments or at least for the main instruments. Then that container is surrounded by several "satellite containers" that are responsible for introducing variations or additional instruments. These "satellite containers" can hold phrases for individual instruments or combinations of instruments or maybe just a Parameter like Mute or a Variation parameter.

Your workflow is excatly how I envisioned it. Glad it works for you! And yes, my arrangements tend to look chaotic too, after a while. Need to find a better discipline.

Can't say what's going on there, something at Synfire's rendering engine must be different between 1.7.8 and 1.7.9. Maybe André can take a look.

Will do.

Track No.3, by the way, comes closest to EDM ;-) I must admit however, that my understanding of EDM was coined at least 15 years ago.

 

 

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Track No.3, by the way, comes closest to EDM Wink I must admit however, that my understanding of EDM was coined at least 15 years ago.

I was hoping that one of the EDM specialists here could make a real EDM track of it.  :D

 

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Get Kontakt Vsti not working for now ( i am afraid, that i must reinstall windows 7 again on sdd disk, but maybe with a processor upgrade and more memory then ) try to do something with Sylenth synt tutorial ( a bargain now with discount )



ADSR.Sounds.Start.To.Finish.Build.an.entire.EDM.track.with.Sylenth


The start of the arrangement ...

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Great work Juergen! Looking forward to checking this all out when i return from the family holdiay travel. Was hoping to find some active users here in the Chicago area since i am about 3 1/2 hours from there. Looks like most of you guys are in the EU. 

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Looks like most of you guys are in the EU. 

Not really. There are quite a few active Synfire users in Chicago and its is one of the least covered areas in the US. Privacy rules prevent us from sharing the details, though. We hope to get this rolling with local email announcements soon.

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Meanwhile, I have been busy with the free sound library of SampleTank 3.

http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/sampletank3free/

 

These are another 20 sounds that complement the sounds of the Kontakt Factory Selection library well. I have added them to the setup (see attached Zip file). In the Zip file you will also find all multi patch files for Kontakt (.nki) and SampleTank (.st3m), in case you need to load them manually. 

Now we have a setup of a total of 70 free quality sounds (more than 2 GB), including a decent piano and strings. As a test of the new sounds, I again dealt with André's Rikko-song (based on my "revised version" that I've posted already a while ago): http://users.cognitone.com/de/content/simple-input-organic-output

And because I was at it, I have again developed the song a bit further. I have added a middle part, so that the piece is now longer. However, I'm not entirely happy with the transition to the middle part (between the bars 33 and 37). Perhaps someone will find a better solution?

 

If you load the attached setup and play the arrangement, you should hear exactly the same as in this audio file (including all effects). Please let me know if it works for you.

 

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Please let me know if it works for you

Hi Juergen,

Yes it works for me, I didn't have SampleTank before but I got it installed with no issues.  This is fantastic work and I can't say enough how I appreciate what you're doing! :)

I've only had a chance to have a quick look at the arrangement and I think at the moment it's structure is a little too advanced for my understanding.  However, I will spend some more time with it and I'm sure it will help me to make much better use of Synfire.

Pete

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I'm glad that it works for you. I think we now have enough sounds in this "free sounds setup" to cover a relatively wide musical spectrum. I plan to present occasionally new arrangements for this setup, and everyone is welcome to do that too  ;)

 

I've only had a chance to have a quick look at the arrangement and I think at the moment it's structure is a little too advanced for my understanding. 

Well, it's probably not so much an "advanced structure". I'd say, it's more a chaotic structure. When I look at my older arrangements after a certain time, I also have problems to say what role each individual container plays. Maybe I should work more organized, but then it would not be so much fun. 

 

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I think we now have enough sounds in this "free sounds setup" to cover a relatively wide musical spectrum.

Wonderful. I'll check if Cognitone can include all the required links in the official download section. If so, it would be helpful to provide an additional copy of all example arrangements and sketches based on this setup.

This is even more helpful on Windows, where the default GM Synth has a horrible latency.

I also have problems to say what role each individual container plays.

 

The inspector's Container tab offers a comments field. I rarely use it, but this is exactly what it was made for.

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 If so, it would be helpful to provide an additional copy of all example arrangements and sketches based on this setup.

Feel free to use the arrangements that I post here in whatever way you wish. 

 

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For people who want to collaborate on the song Rikko, i added here the begin of the making of Rikko song thread


http://users.cognitone.com/content/simple-input-organic-output


Enclosed are also 2 youtube video's for how this song Rikko has been developed on Synfire.
You can read here in this thread, how the song of Rikko can be improved/extendend by the use of 2 free Vsti sample players : kontakt and sample tank 3


Well i stumbled on these two 2 video's about the making of Rikko
Those two video explained much more then this text in this thread


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJuUFW5Njz0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6dILcnf3rU


Composing in Synfire is in 2 steps:


- first arrange a theme in the rootcontainer (startsection)
use poolphrase/library/embedded library and add a harmonic startprogression for the startsection
- extend the startsection with new songsections 


 

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I am also experimenting with MIDI construction kits as source for composing
A midi constructiekit you import it as a whole in the rootcontainer and is already standing as a arrangement on its own.You can use the midi construction kit arrangement imported in Synfire as a base for arrangment and build further on this.

But somehow you are forced to deconstruct the rootcontainer, because it is not a arrangement started with 8 bars..it is a complete arrangement 
It is something different then Rikko arrangement, where you start with a 8 bar theme and build this out with sections
So it is maybe a idea to show what a example is of a imported midi construction kit.
note: the advantage of a midi constuction kit is also it has also audio example of it ( you can drop the wav files in your DAW)

You can store the midi constructionkit on 2 ways in a library :
- as tracks.. in the embedded library
- as  poolhrases ..in the external library
Both libraries can be combined and saved as a embedded library.
Now you can open two arrangements  on 2 screens : a empty arrangement with a embedded library with the combined phrases from this imported midi constructionkit file and a screen with the imported midi in a arrangement.

A empty screen for composing and a imported midi arrangement screen what shows the song structure.
So you have now a combined library and a arrangement example at your disposal .. out of this you can try to compose a new arrangement.

Therefore it should be handy if there is a directory tree possible in the library , because the name of the company of the midi constructionkit and a specific constructionkit name can be seen.
There are more then one construction kit to find for a musicstyle.
Example Soundtrack Loops (name company) - orchestral1(musicstyle) -  name midi file  


You can try out this midi construction kit example to do the same thing as in Rikko and collect a theme or make a own theme
You will see in this example that there is long intro  with only two instruments, so getting a theme here is not at the first 8 bars.
 
Is it also possible to extend the number of track numbers to 24 in a rack for Cognitone ?.. the midi constructionkit can be bigger than 16. 
If you want use the midi constructionkit it is better to make a dedicated rack for this midi constructionkit where also the library make use of this rack too.      

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You can try out this midi construction kit example to do the same thing as in Rikko and collect a theme or make a own theme

Thanks for the file. Maybe I'll deal with it in the next days. Let's see what we can do with it. 

 

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Ok, here is what I have made from your file. It's definitively something completely different than the original orchestral score. ;)

 

 

That's what I did: First I reassigned the sounds. Then I looked for a position in your file that was somewhat interesting. I've selected the bars 25 to 27 and made a sketch from that part. The piece that I've made is completely created from this sketch (i.e. it consists only of phrases of the bars 25 to 27 of the original piece). With the sketch I developed a new harmonic progression. Since I wanted a different mood than that of the simple original progression in A minor, I have used some exotic scales. Then I converted the sketch into an arrangement (File >> Convert >> Open As Arrangement) and developed the arrangement. 

I've also attached the sound setup file again, since the effect and mixing settings are slightly different than at the previous pieces.

 

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The midi construction kit is here used as a whole and Rikko is buildup section for section
With midi kits you can collect whole tracks and combine them in Synfire


You  made a interesting new piece from it with a other feel, but it sounds ( for me )  the composition sounds not vivid. 


More interesting can be the arrangement,  because the original midi construction kit has special sounds  


this is the audio example of the midi construction kit..this is strong piece



  • 080BPM_Amin_Cinematic_Cello

  • 080BPM_Amin_Cinematic_Clarinet

  • 080BPM_Amin_Cinematic_Cymbal

  • 080BPM_Amin_Cinematic_Cymbal_Roll

  • 080BPM_Amin_Cinematic_Drums

  • 080BPM_Amin_Cinematic_Female_Choir

  • 080BPM_Amin_Cinematic_Horn_Swell_1

  • 080BPM_Amin_Cinematic_Horn_Swell_2

  • 080BPM_Amin_Cinematic_Majestic_Brass

  • 080BPM_Amin_Cinematic_Male_Choir

  • 080BPM_Amin_Cinematic_Marching_Snare

  • 080BPM_Amin_Cinematic_Pizzacato_Strings

  • 080BPM_Amin_Cinematic_Timpani_1

  • 080BPM_Amin_Cinematic_Timpani_2

  • 080BPM_Amin_Cinematic_Trumpets

  • 080BPM_Amin_Cinematic_Viola

  • 080BPM_Amin_Cinematic_Viola_2

  • 080BPM_Amin_Cinematic_Violin_1

  • 080BPM_Amin_Cinematic_Violin_2

From all these instruments are audiotracks in de midi constructionkit ( the midi construction kit is a learning experience and transform it in a another arrangement is also possible ).
To get the same feel in Synfire you need to listen to the audio instruments and then try to imitate them in Synfire.

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To get the same feel in Synfire you need to listen to the audio instruments and then try to imitate them in Synfire.

For me, composing is about the creation of new music, not the imitation of already existing music.

 

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For me, composing is about the creation of new music, not the imitation of already existing music.

+1

That is exactly what Synfire is for.  You can use your DAW to imitate existing music!

Pete

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Well it is up to you what you want to do in Synfire .. i don't see this as imitating, but as a learning experience.
It is not that easy to get the same result in Synfire as the audio example as i see it now.

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Bonjour,

Je suis Française et depuis que j'ai acheté Synfire je m'éfforce de comprendre comment il fonctionne car, malheureusement, je ne suis pas assez jeune pour me mettre à l'Anglais. Aucune traduction n'est suffisament claire et je serai vraiment contente d'avoir des interlocuteurs qui comprennent et parlent le Français. Les videos ne sont pas assez detaillées.

Je m'interesse principalement aux musiques de films et serai contente d'avoir des contacts avec qui partager nos connaissances.

Cordialement. 

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je serai vraiment contente d'avoir des interlocuteurs qui comprennent et parlent le Français. 

Unfortunately I do not speak French. But with the help of Google Translate, I can understand a little.  ;) How about when you write your posts in French and we will reply in English? 

But I know that there are also French-speaking Synfire users here in the forum.

 

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It is not that easy to get the same result in Synfire as the audio example as i see it now.

If you are interested specifically in dramatic orchestral film scores, you should better learn from our much valued forum member Soundcase:

https://soundcloud.com/subcase/rpot

 

Isn't that cool? Much better than your Midi construction kit, IMHO. But you certainly need to invest much into sound libraries to get this result.  

 

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Bonsoir,

J'ai reçu une réponse à mon message. Je vour remercie, mais je ne comprends pas car il est question de la construction d'un kit que j'aurais envoyé ?? 

Désolée, mais je n'ai rien envoyé du tout!

 

Par ailleurs, toutes les traductions sont incroyablement mauvaises. 

 

Good Evening,
I received a reply to my message. I thank Vour, but I do not understand because it is about building a kit that I would have sent ??
Sorry, but I have not sent at all!

Furthermore, all translations are incredibly bad. Proof ... ( je ne sais pas comment faire. I do not know how )

Cordialement.

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Bonsoir,

 

je suis bilingue et puis vous aider à traduire certains elements si nécessaire, je ne suis pas encore un expert de synfire pro encore (objectif 2015 -:())

meilleures salutations 

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Bonsoir Solaris,

Merci infiniment de votre réponse.

Oui, je veux bien être aidée mais le message que vous m'avez envoyé et traduit est celui -ci:

 

Bonsoir,

je suis bilingue Et Puis vous secouriste à traduire certains éléments si Nécessaire, Je Ne Suis Pas de Encore expert de l'ONU de Synfire pro encore (Objectif 2015 - :())

Meilleures salutations 

Je vous avoue ne pas tout saisir et principalement cette phrase: 

Je Ne Suis Pas de Encore expert de l'ONU de Synfire pro encore (Objectif 2015 - :())

Pour essayer de participer et apprendre Synfire, vos textes sont traduits par Google et vous pouvez voir que ce n'est pas génial!

Pensez -vous que google puisse traduire mes demandes Français vers l'Anglais et que vous puissiez me répondre en français ?

 

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Bonjour,

J'ai vraiment un souci de traduction Anglais vers le Français. Toutes les traductions sont incompréhensibles.

Aujourd'hui, je peux vous répondre quelqu'un parlant Anglais vient de me traduire votre message.

Mille merci pour votre proposition, mais, s'il vous plait, expliquez moi comment vous envisagez cet échange ?

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