HN with Bandstand

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HN with Bandstand

Hi Guy's. I just bought your software and i have to say it looks absolutely amazing!! I've been looking for something like this for the macBook Pro to replace the version of Band-in-a-box that i have but never really use. Your software IS IT!!

My question. I have a copy of Native instruments Bandstand (which is a GM sound module) and would like to set up HN to control Bandstand. I am not technically minded, so i would really appreciate it if someone could guide me through a detailed tutorial of how to set the two up so i can use the great sounds on Bandstand with the brilliant HN!

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Tunde

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OK. I'm beginning to think nobody care's :cry:

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Tunde, sorry for the late reply. Here's how you can run Bandstand with HN:

1) Run Bandstand in standalone mode. i.e. as its own application
2) In the setup of Bandstand, pick "IAC Driver 1" for MIDI input
3) In HN "Audio & MIDI Configuration", create a new "Device" and add a default GM bank to it (there's a menu item for this).
4) Under the "Drivers" tab, route the port of that new device (e.g. 2) to "IAC Driver 1" output.

That's it. Be sure to disable other devices you don't want to use.

I don't have a copy of Bandstand, but know from other NI products they can all run in standalone mode. Let me know if that doesn't work.

BTW: At the bottom of this page, you will find two videos showing how to setup HN with external instruments:
[url]http://www.cognitone.com/support/tutorials/index.stml[/url]

Andre

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Hi Andre

Thank you very much for your help. I followed your instructions and I'm up and running now. It was pretty straight forward, i just needed the right guidance.

A couple of things: I have two other software synth instruments with very cool sounds.
1. Kore player, which is a free download by Native Instruments (with its great sounding Kore Soundpacks).
2. Acoustic Strum GS-1 by Applied Acoustic Systems. This is a great sounding replacement for the often terrible sounding GM guitar sounds.

I assume running these with HN will be the same set up process as with Bandstand, but since they are not GM modules what would be the best procedure to use HN to play these software instruments and then change the sounds within the software instrument itself. Specifically, I'm referring to whole sound bank creation/selection issue in HN.

Once again, thanks a lot for your help.

Cheers
Tunde

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For these instruments, you would rather be creating a device in "Audio & MIDI Setup" that utilizes the "Manual" mode (a check box next to the port setting). This disables all automatic program switching and controller stuff, so your manual settings at the instrument won't be changed.

You can then add a sound that represents a patch/program on your VI. IIRC, Kore Player supports program change MIDI messages, i.e. loads a particular sound on request. You can add these specs to your HN device.

Andre

P.S: Even better: Get a host software and load all your instruments on it. Examples are: Plogue Bidule (runs on both PC and Mac), Apple AU Lab (on the MacOSX install CD). I know that AU Lab has issues with NI products currently, but Apple seems to be fixing that.

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Hi Andre

Thanks for that, once again. With regards to a host software, i have the Rax host software by audio-file engineering (very cool, check it out). Would you know how to set this up with HN? I also have Logic/garageband but at the moment i am trying to use Rax.

Another thing, after setting up Bandstand with HN as you suggested, i noticed that the drumkits in bandstand are not being triggered by HN. Instead it always plays the drums on the HN interface/pallete which i can mute. I assume this is the GM synth on my apple mac. My brain is in a twist. Help please.

Cheers
Tunde

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I think, if you ensure you don't confuse the MIDI ports of the IAC driver, there should be no problems using Rax. Just load the instruments and make sure each has its own MIDI port assigned on the IAC driver. Use the same ports in HN and create a "Device" for each port that tells HN where the sounds are and what their names are.

I looks like you didn't disable the internal GM synth. That's why the drums still play on it. You may need to check the MIDI channel and port for the drumkit on Bandstand. Maybe it's not fixed to channel 10 as usual.

Andre

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Following these instructions doesn't seem to work for me on my mac (ppc running leopard 10.5.4, bandstand 10.2.006, and HN 1.6.1.

Bandstand crashes as soon as I close HN audio-midi set-up window.

Not sure what, or if, I am doing something wrong...

- Bill

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Hi Bill,

as HN only connects via MIDI (and this is unlikely to crash any application), the only cause I could think of is an infinite MIDI loop, i.e. you might have routed HN output forth and back using the same driver.

Be sure to never use the same driver/slot for input and output at the same time.

Andre

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Thanks, Andre. that did it. I really like this software :)

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