New customer (Vertical scales/Orchestra)

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New customer (Vertical scales/Orchestra)

Hey guys!

This program is GREAT! I can't wait to buy MPS as well.

Anyways. I just recently purchased HN and was wondering if you guys had some advice on how to achieve a few things.

First off I love that HN shows the vertical scale for each chord. Is there anyway to create a sort of 'dummy' accompaniment that will generate the full tones of the vertical scale for each chord played? This way when i export my MIDI I will have one midi track that will have all the vertical scale notes laid out as sort of a template of notes in the background?

Also has anyone come up with a good way to export chords that fit an orchestral context? ie. open with an octave bass? Better yet exporting individual parts for the Double Bass, Cello, Viola and Violins forming the chord?

Any help would be great.

Thanks! :D

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Ah, thanks for the motivating feedback ;-)

Regarding the "dummy" pattern -- nice idea, btw -- HN doesn't provide an editor for this, but with MPS this will be no problem. You can try to create such a pattern by recording a chromatic movement on your keyboard. HN will then attempt to limit it to the vertical scale ... but, as it also tries to create a meaningful voice leading, you will likely not hear the entire scale all the time.

With MPS, one can turn off all the intelligence of the renderer and get straight scales output (sounds bland, though).

Orchestral works are best done with MPS. HN doesn't have the features to put you in full control.

Andre

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A dummy pattern would be good, but there's another feature I'd like to see - the ability to change how many octaves the bass note is below the chord in the plain chord mode.

I think it's one octave below the chord. This is good, but I'd love to be able to change it to 2 (or even 3) octaves below the chord for deeper bass. Not sure how this would work.

I noticed that there is a post missing in this thread. Not sure where it went, but I'd love to see the ability in HN to change how many octaves below the chord the bass note is played in. Right now it seems like it's one octave, and I'd love to see a choice between 1, 2 and even 3 octaves. Not sure how this would be implemented, but I think a simple dropdown menu option that branches off the simple chord preset would probably work.

Ben

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Hey Ben,

I'm sorry I deleted my post. I felt it was kind of redundant since Andre said it simply wasn't possible in HN.

I love HN thus far. Clearly the guys did the research and the software is great. IMO it has one big flaw though.

As Ben is hinting at I believe HN would be of greater value if the chords were somehow customizable. The export is everything and I hate the idea of converting all the three part chords to proper open voiced 4 part chords with an octave in the base. This is a really basic thing and is very important. I may be wrong though and an interpretation preset may exist which is just what I want. I'm basically just trying to EXPORT chords that will work well with a string ensemble. This would change so much for me I'd LOVE IT!

I also think having each voice output on its own channel is very important. This is sort of implemented already in the accompaniment window so it should be easy to do this with chords.

I should say that I'm still trying to work out how to correctly output chord voicing's with HN. I was experimenting more but since Andre feels it's just not doable I think I'll find an alternative route or at least do what I did before HN until MPS.

Either way the truth is HN is a godsend piece of software.

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I think it's one octave below the chord. This is good, but I'd love to be able to change it to 2 (or even 3) octaves below the chord for deeper bass. Not sure how this would work.

Hi Ben,

this depends on the sound you're using for the bass. The instrument decides for itself which playing range to use. If you want the bass to play lower, go pick another sound or edit the sound properties (in the Audio & MIDI Setup) and move its "lower" playing range to anywhere you like.

Basically, it's the "Typical Pitch" you need to adjust here, but make sure there's enough room below and above it.

Andre

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The export is everything and I hate the idea of converting all the three part chords to proper open voiced 4 part chords with an octave in the base.

Be sure to use 4 part chords in your progression. HN won't "jazz up" 3 part chords automatically (not for plain chords export), so go pick a chord extension with 4 voices for every chord (in the progression editor).

Then use the interpretation preset "Auto-Chords" for the strings and add a simple 1-note bass figure (just record it with your keyboard). Use "Simplified Bass" for figure encoding.

I'll see if I get an accompaniment pattern done with 5 Instruments, open voicing. HN doesn't have the editor to do that, but I can make one in MPS that loads into HN.

Andre

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