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Hi
For me is very strange the concepts that synfire shows in its keyboard when reflect the inversions of the chords that you are composing
In the only place that you can see the real inversions that you are setting is in the palette´s keyboard but when select the chords in the palette,not in its notepad
In the palette tab you can choose,select a chord and with the 1,2,3...keys of the computer keyboard you can see reflected in the synfire´s keyboard (low part of the palette) the different positions available for the chord
If you want for example to select the first inversion of C7 you must hold the 2 key of the computer keyboard and comand and drag it into the notepad
The problem is that when you select that chord in the notepad now the inversion is not reflected in the low keyboard and in this way we lose the possibility to can see diffrent combinations of the chords inversions
If i want after to C7 add Gm7 i must go again to the palette,select C7 first inverssion and after look at Gm7 try different inverssions and when drag to the notepad those inversions that i chosen are not reflected in the low keyboard
I ask:
Is possible to do the palette´s notepad independent to the Arrangement and progression tabs only to see reflected the real combinations of inversions in the low keyboard as is done when select a chord inversion in the palette without the horrible process to looking for the next chord in the palette,it would be great that the keyboard reflect the real inversion that you choose at least in the palette tab?
Di., 12.11.2013 - 10:25 Permalink
The Harmony parameter is for all instruments together. Therefore it can not dictate a particular inversion for a single instrument, unless the Interpretation of this instrument is set to obey "Inversions" and "Hints" (and its playing range is wide enough to support that inversion).
One confusing detail is the keyboard widget below the progression editor shows what the global "Chords" instrument currently does. I agree it should indicate what the currently selected instrument does, although this is not quite clear on the progression editor, which instrument that is.
If you listen to the progression in chords-only mode, it's always the global "Chords" instrument and its ranges that affect the inversion you will see on the keyboard.
A better way of controlling pitch and inversion is to set the Figure respectively. That is, use the violet [a] symbols and nudge their symbols up/down until you get the dersired chord. That can be done per instrument.
But, as always, if you eventually change the progression later, all that inversion tweaking is lost. That's why I tend to not care about it until the song's harmony is really finished.
Di., 12.11.2013 - 14:19 Permalink
Hi
Andre thank you for your attention
Yes;i understand the concept and the practice of it and i shared it
I know i express bad;i don,t pose to change nothing,only suggest a possible added to facilitate the composition, to better see what you are doing or want to do
Synfire when you begin a progression it detects automatically the best position of the chord that you are adding (root,1 inversion,2 inversion...) that match with the chords preceded and this is great but as all has their advantages and disadvantages
There is the best combination of the positions of the one progresion and synfire detect it but also there are another interestings combinations that we visually can not see in synfire
One example:
I have the scale set of C minor in the palette window
I want to try the typical progression I - IV - V - I
If i drag that progression into the notepad synfire shows:
Cm Fm Gm Cm
1 (C) 1 (F) 1 (G) 1 (C)
but if you play them or select them one by one in the keyboard you can see the best combination of the positions of the progression that synfire detects for you :
Cm Fm Gm Cm
1 (C) 2 (Ab) 2 (Bb) 1 (C)
Ok,this is wonderful but also there are much more possible positions combinations that we never can see reflected in the keyboard if only,even for the purpose of studying and in this way we could the freedom to choose
I suggest that remain as is ,the harmony that Synfire detect (the best position) in the Arrangement,Progression and Palette tabs but in the Palette individual window (Window-Launcher-Palette) will be added another notepad (independent,not linked,unrelated with the harmony of the song,that reflects in the keyboard the real position that you set with the shortcut 1,2... to can see the all possible combinations
I know that in the palette you can select one chord and press 1 2 ...and see the inversion but is very tedious to go looking for visually to the next chord of the progression you want to see (many chords in the palette)
In the example I-IV-V-I it would be better to drag them to the another notepad and there you could select the chord and apply the 1,2...and you could see in the keyboard how are combinating them in realtime
Di., 12.11.2013 - 22:20 Permalink
The keyboard widget maybe needs to be tied to an instrument of the arrangement. That would already help a lot. There is a lot regarding chords & progressions on the list for the coming updates.
The new HN2 LE already has a straightforward method for adjusting a progression's output. HN2 LE however only needs to care about a single instrument. That's a big difference to Synfire: (watch from 2:50 on)
Mi., 13.11.2013 - 20:58 Permalink
This also works in Synfire:
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3. Modify playing ranges and see output changin
Wow, cool! I didn't know that. But it works only for auto-chord and auto-bass, right? Now it would be even cooler, if we could see the rendered output of regular figures in this way too.