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I've been working with lots of cotainers (6 instruments).. The problem after a while is some instruments seem to appear in offspring containers, overiding original part.. I' might start with a master sequence of two instruments. and then lay in loops of other instruments, loops of steps, and loops of pause - love the results..
But what seems to happen is after a while i have a 2nd bass part in a child container (overiding original bass part - not what I want).. Worse seems to be that I may have 4 flute containers, (containing only a flute, etc).. The problem is the mix quickly gets totally out of control with instruments from different sections having radically loud or soft volumes..
Ideally I would like to globally strip out all volume and expression and write it in via mixer page, Taking a few passes to do this. Because of the often dense layering (I know I'm overplaying).. But I need precise control of each instruments volume/expression, otherwise it sounds like a bunch of crows at sunrise.
Perhaps I'm overlooking something.... Thanx
Thanx....
So., 24.03.2013 - 02:31 Permalink
You could delete volume parameters from all your containers for each instrument then draw/record them in via the root container.
Another way if you want to keep the majority of the volume settings but maybe only a few bits are wrong... Mark out the full song in the timeline then create a new container, snapshoting the volume. Then copy the volume for each part and paste it into the root container, then remove the new container....edit the volumes in the root where you feel there is improvement to be made.
This assumes that you are modulating the volumes across time. If they are static in the container it's probably easier to just set them in the containers via the mixer page.
There might be a really easy way.....let me know if you find it.
So., 24.03.2013 - 10:50 Permalink
Thanx Blacksun = I'd like to set volumes, globally and then individual expressions for each intrument. And I would want to write - record these in real time or my watching timeline.. so when the flute comes in, the strings pull down 2 DB.
Somehow in each container (usually one instrument( the instruments seem to end up different volumes, making for quite a bit of work.. . The volumes are jumping all around as the song progresses thru different containers.. I must be doing something wrong, cause some container have peramaters for a different instrument There should be a simpler way to overwrite previous volumses,, In fact a global delete of any parameter might be a usefull tool..
I just need to experiment more.. I got flustered this afternoon, when it seemed the volumes of several instruments were jumping around.
With all the containers one can assemble and each having a lot of changeable parameters, it seems awkard to get a quick overall view of what it going on, or where something goes off. Then again this is not a DAW - but to be really useful it needs some DAW features, Otherwise it's simpler to export to DAW and re-import, of course you loose much of the power of SFP when it plays in a linearly fashion.
I originally started with a series of containers having piano and bass. Later I hand played a linear bass track.. But the bass volumes are assigned in a half dozen parent containers.. Yet I can't erase the volume parameter, it is grayed out and set at 127.. and it's like this for most of the instrument containers.. Like I said, the easiest way to fix it is to export song out and re-import statically to get at the various parameter. which closes the doors on other operations for me.
Maybe someone can make some sense out of this.. Obviously the song is far from being done.. And I'm at a lost as to why some parts go out of key. Up until now I've been importing into Logic and fixing the bogus notes.. So I must be missing something.. I admit, I don't understand when a particular song goes into another modulatily or key, I imported 4 midi piano parts, and generated rest of parts in SFP.. Not sure if SFP accurately calculated what the correct chords are. I have found in the past it makes some obviously mistaken chord assumptions. I get a bit overwhelmed when I start with a major chord, have the bass play a 4th lower, and another instrument play a 13 notes.. How does SFP determinie chords.? Does it look at every track..
What happens when you hand play a busy bass part, and add some epiano adlibs, it throws SFP chord calculations out the door, and re-calculating parts gives some strange resultsl
sorry the GM sounds are so poor.. Sounds a bit better using Tyros 4 GM sounds
So., 24.03.2013 - 12:56 Permalink
I must be doing something wrong, cause some container have peramaters for a different instrument
Mark, you may have moved volume sliders while a different instrument was selected. This places parameter values in the wrong phrase.
But the bass volumes are assigned in a half dozen parent containers.. Yet I can't erase the volume parameter, it is grayed out and set at 127
Check the sound's default ("preview") volume in the device. It may be 127. You can disable the default volume ("Custom CCs"). Or maybe it's in the root container? Also note that you need to select the container that contains the phrase, before you can delete parameters from it.
so when the flute comes in, the strings pull down 2 DB
A great example what containers are good for: Dimming the strings can be part of the Flutes container. This ducking effect is tied to the Flutes section and will move around with it.
How does SFP determinie chords.? Does it look at every track..
Yes, unless you disable the "H"(armonic Content) switch on inmport. You should always do so for drums and non-tonal tracks.
Then again this is not a DAW - but to be really useful it needs some DAW features
That's the current plan.
The next generation mixer will also support a "global" mode, where all parameters go to the root container.