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Exploring the Palettes coloring presets, I discovered that the presets subsets looks very different from what is shown in the Tutorial (at 1:56 : https://youtu.be/SstCv5Yck5U?feature=shared&t=116) - there is barely a differentiation in chord coloration, no variations in light or dark colors.
Workflow to reproduce creating the same situation as in the tutorial: (1) new arrangement (2) activate the Palette view (3) click on Am in the circle of fifths (4) click E (major) in the lower half of the palette and (5) change Coloring (drop down) -> Presets -> Subsets.
As the attached screenshots show, the coloring preset subsets seems to be broken or do I miss another option, that has to be activated?
I also attached a screenshot from the subsets preset settings - which I did not change as far as I remember, as I have not used Synfire for some time.
Di., 23.07.2024 - 22:33 Permalink
You need to select bigger chords if you want to see some subsets.
Also try the intersections preset.
Mi., 24.07.2024 - 15:05 Permalink
Hi housekeeper,
thanks for your answer. I see a difference as you suggested using 4 note or 5 note chords.
But I still do not understand the behavior - respectively what can be seen & is explained in the tutorial - when I choose a basic triad.
In the tutorial @1:52 (https://youtu.be/SstCv5Yck5U?feature=shared&t=112) a basic triad, E major, is selected and you can see a bunch of dark color shaded chords on the palette.
If I select E major (under the same conditions as in the tutorial - at least I think so ;-) I only get 1 bright colored chord, which is G#m(#5) - see the attached screenshot chord-selection-no1.jpg above.
Reading the manual (https://docs.cognitone.com/synfire/EN/tasks/PaletteSetup.html) explaining the "Subsets" coloring, it states : "Highlights all chords that are completely contained in the chord currently being played. This allows you to find several smaller chords that would make up the current chord if played together."
If I then look at the Palette view shown in the tutorial (@1:52), where there is also an E major triad selected in the Palette and bunch of colored chords show up (also a bit later on with A minor), what's the reason for this?
Did the algorithm changed since the recording of the tutorial?
Was there another coloring activated in the Coloring settings? If so, which one was it?
Its really confusing if the tutorials show visual results (and hence music theoretical concepts or interpretation of Synfire) that do not match, what is said in the tutorial (being Kim an AI is no excuse ;-).
Mi., 24.07.2024 - 15:20 Permalink
Sorry. The menu shown in the video is outdated. What is shown as 'Subsets' is now called 'Intersections'. A recent update fixed a bug that confused 'Subsets' (smaller included chords), 'Supersets' (bigger enclosing chords) and 'Intersection' (any chords that share one or more notes).
What you are looking for is 'Intersections'
Do., 25.07.2024 - 14:40 Permalink
Thanks housekeeper for the clarification - I got it.
And by the way the logic behind Intersection is great - of course it depends on the kind of music one creates.
Maybe a hint of the changes you have described on the tutorials webpage (https://users.cognitone.com/tutorial/harmony-coloring-schemes) could be helpful for others reading or watching the tutorial in the future to be inspired and not confused ;-).