Yes that is correct Juergen !C maj7 , C6 , Csus4 , Csus2 and C belong to the key of C major ( they are constructed from only white keys. But to be considered as a workable triad for chord progression we use only triads build up by combining minor third and major thirds intervals...major triads or minor triads If this is the case then i must focus on these chords. Take as example C minor natural : Cm-Ddim-Eb-Fm-Gm-Ab-Bb - (Cm.). i pick this from the pallette ..good Take B minor natural : Bm- c#dim -D-Em-F#m-G-A-(Bm) .. i picked out these When i do have a B major scale then i can start for borrowing chords from B minor natural as starting point those i picked out and experiment with the ohter avaible triads.
Some sort of workflow..i think i make a template for the basic borrow chords
If you want to build up your progression exclusively with triads and you find the other chords of the palette confusing, then you can delete these other chords from the palette. Then you will have a very simple palette with pure triads. Whether that makes sense for composing, however is a different question.
Again trying to get grip on modal interchance chords, but never understood the pallette handling
- how to get triads from C scale major to see in Palette : C-Dm-Em- F-G-Am-Bdim ( i must memorize them now )
- Cminor scale..triads ?
These two scales are parallel scales and now in can compare the two scales and listening to a progression
<Really? Are they not directly in front of your eyes, if you look at the palette of your gif?>
Can i see at forehand the same triads in the palette, when i play the triads on the piano keyboard for Cmajor scale?
I just happened to see this conversation for the first time, and have to apologize but it feels like the transcript of a conversation between an early ChatGPT prerelease and real humans ;-)
Sorry for the irony, hoping that a bit humour helps all.
a conversation between an early ChatGPT prerelease
That's because it is a thread from 2015. Things have developed tremendously since then. Although...maybe tremendously is not exactly the right term. But a little bit.
Don't know if much has changed about the palette from 2015.
Due to the language barrier, I may not have asked the right question at the time.
Saw a demonstration video the other day of the impact interchanced ( borrowed) chords can have.
Hence I asked the question again lol
I recommend deepl.com for translation. Gives impressive results
As for your question on palettes: If you click on the label with the scale name on the left side of the palette, the chords in the palette that belong to that scale will be highlighted. You can also create your own palettes that contain only the chords of the scales you are interested in. To do this, you need to replace (or delete) the scales with right-click. Enclosed I have made a palette that contains the chords of C major scale (upper part the palette) and C natural minor scale (lower part of the palette).
I have also been using deepl.com for several years and it is a great tool.
The construction of palette C_maj and C_minor in Synfire is not the problem, but reading chords.
All the chords are of course ladder-like from these 2 scales , only I want to read certain chords that I can make on a piano keyboard.
As an example, I take all the triads I can make with the white keys on 1 octave , skipping the 2nd and 4th white keys.
I do see now that Synfire cannot show this palette information.
The palette will show you the parallel scales but afaik, only the differences so if you wanna borrow from other scales/keys/modes you open another palette, also you can go to layout > preset minimal and then just delete the non primary triads, i.e 7th chords, sus chords with the delete key and you will see something like the picture.
Thanks , i think removing the non-primary triads is what i looking for, so i can compare the triads for different scales
Finally the answer is there .. its my own fault in the past i think by not be able to be precise
Fr., 30.01.2015 - 13:54 Permalink
Yes that is correct Juergen !C maj7 , C6 , Csus4 , Csus2 and C belong to the key of C major ( they are constructed from only white keys.
But to be considered as a workable triad for chord progression we use only triads build up by combining minor third and major thirds intervals...major triads or minor triads
If this is the case then i must focus on these chords.
Take as example C minor natural : Cm-Ddim-Eb-Fm-Gm-Ab-Bb - (Cm.). i pick this from the pallette ..good
Take B minor natural : Bm- c#dim -D-Em-F#m-G-A-(Bm) .. i picked out these
When i do have a B major scale then i can start for borrowing chords from B minor natural as starting point those i picked out and experiment with the ohter avaible triads.
Some sort of workflow..i think i make a template for the basic borrow chords
Fr., 30.01.2015 - 14:10 Permalink
If you want to build up your progression exclusively with triads and you find the other chords of the palette confusing, then you can delete these other chords from the palette. Then you will have a very simple palette with pure triads. Whether that makes sense for composing, however is a different question.
Mo., 30.01.2023 - 16:15 Permalink
Again trying to get grip on modal interchance chords, but never understood the pallette handling
- how to get triads from C scale major to see in Palette : C-Dm-Em- F-G-Am-Bdim ( i must memorize them now )
- Cminor scale..triads ?
These two scales are parallel scales and now in can compare the two scales and listening to a progression
Di., 31.01.2023 - 13:37 Permalink
<Really? Are they not directly in front of your eyes, if you look at the palette of your gif?>
Can i see at forehand the same triads in the palette, when i play the triads on the piano keyboard for Cmajor scale?
Di., 31.01.2023 - 19:30 Permalink
I just happened to see this conversation for the first time, and have to apologize but it feels like the transcript of a conversation between an early ChatGPT prerelease and real humans ;-)
Sorry for the irony, hoping that a bit humour helps all.
Di., 31.01.2023 - 20:18 Permalink
That's because it is a thread from 2015. Things have developed tremendously since then. Although...maybe tremendously is not exactly the right term. But a little bit.
Di., 31.01.2023 - 21:01 Permalink
Don't know if much has changed about the palette from 2015.
Due to the language barrier, I may not have asked the right question at the time.
Saw a demonstration video the other day of the impact interchanced ( borrowed) chords can have.
Hence I asked the question again lol
Di., 31.01.2023 - 22:35 Permalink
I recommend deepl.com for translation. Gives impressive results
As for your question on palettes: If you click on the label with the scale name on the left side of the palette, the chords in the palette that belong to that scale will be highlighted. You can also create your own palettes that contain only the chords of the scales you are interested in. To do this, you need to replace (or delete) the scales with right-click. Enclosed I have made a palette that contains the chords of C major scale (upper part the palette) and C natural minor scale (lower part of the palette).
Mi., 01.02.2023 - 09:56 Permalink
I have also been using deepl.com for several years and it is a great tool.
The construction of palette C_maj and C_minor in Synfire is not the problem, but reading chords.
All the chords are of course ladder-like from these 2 scales , only I want to read certain chords that I can make on a piano keyboard.
As an example, I take all the triads I can make with the white keys on 1 octave , skipping the 2nd and 4th white keys.
I do see now that Synfire cannot show this palette information.
Mi., 01.02.2023 - 10:45 Permalink
The palette will show you the parallel scales but afaik, only the differences so if you wanna borrow from other scales/keys/modes you open another palette, also you can go to layout > preset minimal and then just delete the non primary triads, i.e 7th chords, sus chords with the delete key and you will see something like the picture.
Mi., 01.02.2023 - 12:54 Permalink
Thanks , i think removing the non-primary triads is what i looking for, so i can compare the triads for different scales
Finally the answer is there .. its my own fault in the past i think by not be able to be precise