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How to morph a container?

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Please explain me practical how to perform a fade -in or fade -out  from a container filled with a phrase ?



 

 


Mi., 29.01.2014 - 00:45 Permalink

How about creating a phrase for the velocity or volume parameters that lasts the length of the container, increasing at the start then decreasing at the end of the container?

 

Mi., 29.01.2014 - 09:17 Permalink

Morphing is a parameter available with Synfire Pro. It is explained in page 198 in the user manual.

It requires at least two containers that follow each other. They may overlap. The phrase is altered only in the container that contains the Morphing parameter settings.

 

Mi., 29.01.2014 - 11:03 Permalink

Thanks

Morphing is a parameter available with Synfire Pro. It is explained in page 198 in the user manual.

Try to figure it out..
I open  a morphing piano example in Synfire, but it is not exactly clear what happens there
It starts with a entry phrase and with the next 8 bars the entryphrase ( 4 bars ) disappear slowly into a new phrase for 8 bars
Note:  
4 measures crossfade is written on the second red container what is 8 measures long..ok the first 4 bars is the crossfade and the second 4 bars is a repetition of the crossfade with a chord chance. 
Note 2:
The resulting figure cannot be seen, but you can make a snapshot in the surrounding container to get a copy of the morphed result : so the blue container content is the morphed result ?  

The red container is morp variation ? ..and content is also visible ? ( by using asurrounding container like also for the red container )
A workflow could be ..(it seems that there are 2 bar and 4 bar templates)  

I start with a entry phrase and add for the second time this entry phrase after the entryphrase ( this is the morphcontainer) , then i auto configure this container to get a start or use a template setting .. new suggestion,please gives a morphed container ?, but it is not visible in the morphcontainer, but hearable.    

 

Mi., 29.01.2014 - 13:15 Permalink

Hi Blacksun

A fade in and out in morph container ?

It is about a rhythmic accelaration that i am after for in Synfire.. i don't know yet what parameter to use for this?
A candidate for this looks the step parameter..but you could also chance the phrase by hand, but with a number of tracks ?
Morphing has nothing to do with a rhythmic acceleration ..it seems has no parameter for it to morph in a rhythmic acceleration/deccelaration.

 

Do., 30.01.2014 - 10:01 Permalink

It requires at least two containers that follow each other. They may overlap. The phrase is altered only in the container that contains the Morphing parameter settings.

 

Q1 : how about the length of the two containers (source and crossfade container) ?--> depends of choosen length morph for the crossfade container

Q2 :  Both containers must contain the same phrase ? 

Q3: Where stand the Steps parameter and Each parameter for ?--> length of morph ( fade in  or out ) = steps X each (=measurelength)

Tip: study also the enclosed example files with the text to get a idea .. this needs a video

 

 

Do., 30.01.2014 - 17:16 Permalink

The container length is arbitrary, although there should be enough room for the morphed phrase.

Both containers must not contain the same phrase. They must be different, or no morphing will occur.

The overall duration of the crossfade is STEPS x EACH, where EACH is any length. This is required to maintain rhythm.

Do., 30.01.2014 - 21:40 Permalink

EACH is any length:  length of what --> subdivision of a measure  ?    

How to get the content of the morphed container into a new adjecent container ?|

It seems trial and error and hoping that the crossfade sounds well..or is it again the Synfire magic what prevent here a bad sounding ?
  

Di., 04.02.2014 - 21:38 Permalink

You can use any length, but sticking to the rhythm is a good idea.

There is no need to save the morphing results. Synfire keeps them for you. They are rendered exactly the same each time you load the arrangement.

Morphing is algorithmic composition. Therefore the results can be both great and poor and alyways a bit unpredictable. You do the judgement.

Di., 04.02.2014 - 22:36 Permalink

Thanks

It is in fact here crossfading of tracks and strict "morphing" has something to do only with a sound as i read somewhere ( sound on sound magazine febr 2014 )  
It becomes more clear now...

Do., 06.02.2014 - 16:51 Permalink

It is really a black box this functionality morphing : only understood by the creator
As i told before trial and error is bad learning strategy to acquire knowledge. .it becomes worser when the complexity is increasing of the studied object.

You can use any length, but sticking to the rhythm is a good idea.

But

Q1 : there are 2 container for morphing with different phrases : how i must apply a template say for a fade in ?

Q2 : what means  : 4 x 1/1 lineair opposite  8 x 1/2  ...  is 1/1 meant as 1 ? ( as you know 1/1  = 1 )

Q3 : how/when to apply a auto figure ?

Fr., 07.02.2014 - 22:35 Permalink

Put the morphing parameter in the container where you want Synfire to render the crossfaded phrase. It has no effect on other containers.

4 x 1/1 means 4 whole notes. This will crossfade over 4 bars in increments of 1 bar.

8 x 1/2 would do the same but use smaller parts for crossfading, which can be smoother but may not work for all phrases.

There is nothing to apply. Just set the morphing parameters and play.

 

Sa., 08.02.2014 - 11:28 Permalink

This needs really a video, because it don't understand this..this makes no sense anymore.

Maybe there are users of Synfire Pro who have no difficulties with crossfading a track and can explain this to me, because the explanation of André helps me not further.