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im not 100% sure i can get what i want from it, im trying to get some lush gospel style chords,
but each time i load a new prog up the chords dont sound that great, obviously not all chords work each other,
but im struggling to find 3-4 chords that work together, also is there any way to invert each chord or give a wider voicing ?
or maybe im not using suitable scales ? can anyone suggest what i do im trying to get this type of thing from HN2
http://www.fat-chords.com/forum/showthread.php?t=176
Do., 17.02.2011 - 21:40 Permalink
There are no ready-made Gospel examples included with HN2 (yet), but you might want to search the web for sample songs and enter those chords into the progression editor? Only you know what style and mood you are looking for.
The good thing is, once you have imitated a few examples, you will learn how they work, which paths these progression move in a palette (or even multiple palettes). Then you can more easily develop your own progressions.
Do., 17.02.2011 - 21:45 Permalink
Regarding the chord voicing, HN2 uses a narrow voicing (one that can be played on the piano with one hand). For wider voicings, you could edit the final MIDI export in your DAW, by shifting or adding octaves.
Another way to get wider voicings is to split the instrument into a left and right hand (two instruments acttually) and use different figures for them (Advanced Edition and Synfire only).
Fr., 18.02.2011 - 15:59 Permalink
hmmm i didnt really expect to have any specific gospel chord sections, but i seem to be having trouble getting some nice cycles sorted out in the stlye of music im trying to create,
would there be better scales i should be working with ?? also thats a massive shame about the wider voicings, you get such a better sounding chord from different voicings, that a little dissapointing really,
Fr., 18.02.2011 - 20:40 Permalink
Interesting topic you have here. Inspired me to a new feature. The progression in the video you linked to is
|| Bbm13 Ebm11 | Fm7 Fmaj7(9,13) | G(add4) | G(add4) ||
The creator of the video missed to name the chords, so I ended up fiddling with the keyboard and use live palette recognition to determine the chords. Therefore I thought it would be a good idea to support the input of note lists in the progression editor (e.g. Db-F-Ab-C-Eb-G-Bb).
This new feature will be available in the next update ;-)
Regarding the progression, there is nothing magical with those 11th amd 13th chords. If you try out different bass notes (1,2,3,4,...) and pitch range hints (depends on the instrument you use: SHIFT+UP or SHIFT+DOWN), you will see a much wider voicing, because these chords are wide anyway.
I've attached the progression and a MIDI export.
Fr., 18.02.2011 - 20:53 Permalink
The vertical scales do not influence your choice of chords. First come the chords, then a vertical scale is selected that matches the chord, not the other direction.
You should try playing multiple palettes open at the same time, each showing a related key. Also do not filter the 11th and 13th chords, as you are interested in these. Use the Layout menu to remove the filter.
Sa., 19.02.2011 - 11:12 Permalink
thanks for the responce, move the bass notes ? you can do this on HN2 ?
sorry for being totally new to this, but your saying im best to simply select a key then play with the various chords,
scale is for later on to match the chords selected, i didnt now i was filtering 11th & 13th notes, i dont think ive even seen these
chords, i always tend to hit m9 or add9 maj 7th chords as these are close to what im looking for,
multiple palettes ? so different pallettes in relative keys to there are more chords to choose from and they have a close relationship to each other ? is this what you mean ?
Sa., 19.02.2011 - 14:18 Permalink
move the bass notes ?
Sure: After selecting the chord, press a numeric key 1,2,3,4,... where 1 is for root position. This also works in the progression editor and notepad. SHIFT+UP and SHIFT+DOWN tell the renderer to transpose the typical pitch of the instrument's middle range temporarily. Multiple presses add to the transposition. This will result in a different voicing of the chord.
In the progression editor, you have the option to change the bass note at a much finer grid (scale steps), or even use a chromatic bass (out of scale, hold down ALT when clicking the Bass button).
your saying im best to simply select a key then play with the various chords
That's best when you compose in one key. For many Jazz progressions, you will need to combine multiple keys.
multiple palettes ?
Yes. Open two or three palettes and navigate them to related keys using the Circle Of Fifth panel. You can play a chord in either palette. Recording will capture them all, regardless which palette you play.
Di., 22.02.2011 - 12:03 Permalink
great this is very helpful and will give the chords a different sound,
another questions very sorry as im still learning this programme, but when im hitting each chord with the cursor you can hit them as quickly as you want, but when you record i cant seem to record stacato style chords, i thought it might be something to do with the quantise settings maybe but i cant find a setting to change to help me record faster chord stabs ??
Mi., 23.02.2011 - 21:10 Permalink
You only can go as fast as 1/4 notes in chors-only playback mode. With an accompaiment pattern, the rate is limited to what the pattern allows. Most of the time that is two changes in a bar.
You could record at half speed and then shrink the resulting progression to 1/2 its length. That will give you 1/8.
The progression is not intented to express rhythm. That's what the Figure parameter is for (HN2 Advanced).