Synfire 2.0 Preview

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Synfire 2.0 Preview

Although there's still a long way to go, I will begin sharing the first sneak previews into what's going on behind the scenes, starting this weekend. So be sure to check out this thread the next days ;-)

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Outstanding! Looking forward to it.

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Ooooo, super. Thanks Andre. Synfire Pro 1.10.10 Build #1 (Mac) is latest version 29.05.2020. But I know that 29.07.2020 version is here before. What is going on ? İs it any problem so that you changed ? 

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There is a new build 1.10.11 for the Mac listed under 'Patches' in user accounts, but that's not really an official release. We merely fixed slow graphics output on very large screens.

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Sound really exciting. 

The weekends arrived BTW ;)

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I must admit this is taking longer than expected, but here's a first look already into the revamped Audio & MIDI Setup. Many of the changes here are indicative of a lot of things to expect next.

To throw in a few other details, Audio Engine 4.0 adds support for VST3 and, among other things, there will be an additional MIDI Effects Drone that loads into your DAW to feed it with MIDI streamed from Synfire directly (to play Logic X internal instruments, for example). 

In the next video I will show some of the new Library, which will take a very prominent role in version 2 (hint: it's also generating phrases). In the third video to come, we'll get a first look at the new arrange window.

 

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Bravo. Looks excellent so far. Well done!

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A very impressive GUI improvement! Curious to see the rest.

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 like the midi plugin approach, I almost sent a feature request for that very thing.  Being able to operating on instruments in Logic while just using Synfire as essentially a giant complex midi plugin, rather then hosting instruments inside Synfire, etc..is a preferable mode of operation for me.  Kudos on that.  Looking forward to hearing more about future release.

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Thank you Andre!

Love the new interface and easyness of sound selection!  

 

Best,

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Fantastic Andre! I kept feeling that this was coming! Very exciting!

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I agree!

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Right in this moment, I'm in the final steps of refining exciting stuff with KIM Factories that I can't wait to show you. This is work still red hot in the making, but I hope to get it presentable in 1-2 days. This generative stuff is so groovy and fun, I often find myself jumping out of the seat without noticing. That's probably a good sign ;-)

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The SFP GAME CHANGER! 

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Still working on the video. Crashes still pop up often and lead into a rabbit hole of code changes that are difficult to predict.

Here's a few screenshots for today, at least, so you can have a quick look already and imagine what's to come.

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Finally... I have been waiting for this for a long time. I feel you have even more so. True AI style phrase building from the looks of things.

Will we be able to do this with our own pre existing phrase libraries?

I have an extensive collection i have built up over the years

Very excited for what now will be possible. Will this work with classical and film style orchestrations?

Can't wait to hop into the drivers seat!

 

"Loving your work, Cowboy!"  (quoting Ilya Kuryachin's character to Han Solo in the Man from U.N.C.L.E. movie) 

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Will this work with classical and film style orchestrations?

Yes. The idea is to generate rhythmically consistent fragments that you can drag & drop from your generated libraries into a counterpoint arrangement to compose build-ups and other parts. Most pop/rock/dance users have little grasp of ostinato, crescendo, accelerando, staccato, legato, etc. but might embrace these terms once they see a strong use case ;-)

I have an experimental feature that extracts rules from existing phrases. Nothing perfect, though. What you can do is re-use the rhythm of any phrase and generate different melodies based on that.

Eventually it might make sense to expose the new KIM language to end users, so everyone can write their own factories, but at this time there is no time to even think of writing another 600 page manual ...

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language did you say?  Now you have my attention....

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Thanks Andre. I think ıt is so excited. I don’t believe manual is useful. Maybe a brief video about synfire pro for all parts more useful . May I ask a question? I use synfire pro as a songwriter. So that I need vocal wav with synfire pro. Can we import wav in synfire pro 2. I know Synfire pro is a midi processor software. Maybe There is a way Only

to import audio files. If import wav is possible on synfire pro we don’t need to use DAW. Thanks for great support.

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Rather than writing a 600 page manual, you're better of using the wiki on this site Andre, and adding to that over time, I'd suggest.

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Take! My! Money!

I'm so curious about the new Synfire...

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KIM is a full-blown rules based programming language, not unlike Prolog. No chance anyone learns this without proper instruction and documentation. I'll need some raw documentation myself, or in a year or so I'll be unable to write factories. But there are more obstacles to exposing a development environment in Synfire with syntax coloring, parser, compiler, debugger, etc. I'm glad it works for now.

The 2.0 user manual will be online, based on a DITA database, so it can be maintained and extended as needed.

Sorry, no WAV tracks yet. Mostly because the Audio Engine has no GUI for that yet.

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I read the word "online" in one sentence of your last posting in a place I rather not want to see this word.

Please make it so that Synfire 2 runs without an Internet connection.

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The GUI looks modern, I like it.

Will SF 2 bring any changes to voice leading rules? And maybe a simplification of horizontal/vertical scales? Even after years with (on and ... mostly off times) I finde it hard to understand and the results often lack of convincing voice leading....

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KIM sounds extremely interesting to me.  I am retired software engineer and will look forward very much to being able to use something like that.  Please PM me if there is anything I can do to help during development.

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:-)

Christian

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Eventually it might make sense to expose the new KIM language to end users, so everyone can write their own factories...

I fully support this idea. That's exactly what I dream about! By the way, why "KIM"? Is it an acronym?

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My main wish is that Synfire be made easier to use. 

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My brother. One audio track is essential. We really need to be able to chord a melody while listening to the vocal. While this is practical on my home setup, it's not really practical on a laptop when I am traveling. I REALLY don't want to sync it to another DAW while I am on a laptop. That really sucks.

 

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