Synthesized Vocals

In Andre's vid that janamdo is refering to, he transcribes the vocal audio (in the daw) to midi notes in synfire, then uses the harmonizer to come up with an alternative arrangment/genre.

You could use melodyn to convert the vocal audio to midi, id first use it to make sure everything is in scale so the conversion is better. Clean it up a bit then convert to midi. Do this on a copy of the vocal audio so you can go back to the original audio.

Load the midi into synfire and follow the video Andre produced.

You also have the option to alter the melody you converted to midi, and when happy with it, use the resultant notes and meledyne to alter the vocal to match the new melody.

thanks janamdo i go check that right now

ok blacksun i understand to convert the vocal to midi in melodyne

but when i do the change in synfire, how to come back on the vocal in melodyne?

how you process to insert this new melody in melodyne on the vocal???

i dont know that! i know just change note in melodyne point by point with melodyne tools

i never see ow melodyne can change a vocal with the import midi

ahhhh ok i read you better , after with the midi, i have to use a vocoder or the autotune target notes????

thanks blacksun

thanks for the fast help

thanks but this tread  is not whats i hunt

i realy hunt vocal random target notes with Synfire

how to transform the melody of the vocal with synfire

but the remix is great

Hi spartacus,

If I understand you correctly, then you want to transform an existing vocal track into a new melody, controlled by the MIDI notes during the playback of Synfire. Well, I don't think that there is exactly such a thing.

With software tools, like Melodyne or Autotune  you can transform the melody of a vocal track. But as you already know, none of them can do that "live", i.e. controlled by a MIDI data stream. 

Pitchmap will probably also not do exactly what you want. It can transform the harmony of a polyphonic audio track, and it can do that "live" (controlled by MIDI), but it is not intended to transform melodies of vocal tracks. You can use it for instance, if you have an audio loop that you want to use as an accompaniment pattern for your song. Then Pitchmap can transform the harmony of that audio loop according to the harmonic progression of your song. But it can not create new melodies.

The only thing that maybe comes close to that what you want, is Vocaloid. But Vocaloid does not transform an existing vocal track, but it synthesizes a vocal track. You can enter the words of the lyrics and the notes of the melody and then it sings for you. That is what was mainly discussed in this thread, but it's probably also not what you are looking for. 

So, as I said, I know nothing that could do that.

hello juergen

yes i understand now arrrg , why everybody work to have a tools for change music etc, and not for the vocals???

this is a great idea no?

ok i go to see vocaloid , can we control vocaloid with a keyboard?

thanks for your help realy

Ive used vocoloid 2 and that came with a vst option which would do what you want but as mentioned above it synthesises the vocals it doesnt use an existing vocal track or sample. The latest vocoloid products are based on the version 3 engine and are better however they come with a cut down engine, you will probably have to buy the full vocoloid 3 editor in addition to the 'singer' for what you want.

can we use vocaloid2 or 3 with a keyboard to control the virtual singer inside ? or only with mouse?

thanks

if you arent looking for real vocals, there are several 'choirs' on the market. Ableton have just released a pretty good one which you can play with a keyboard, but its only oos and ahhs type thing...

http://www.ableton.com/en/packs/olympus-elements/

just thought id better mention, its an ableton rack instrument so can only be used in Ableton as far as I know and you have to use a midi drone or virtual midi cable to link it to synfire.

 can we control vocaloid with a keyboard?

Yes, there is also a VST version of Vocaloid that can be played with a keyboard. But that does not really give good results. It can be used to sketch a melody and to test it with a voice to get a rough idea how the vocal track will sound. But to get a really good vocal track you will need to do much tweaking in the standalone editor of Vocaloid.

And Vocaloid can not sing equally well in any language. There are voices that are optimized for Japanese, Chinese, English and Spanish. Any other language is even more difficult to accomplish. You then have to enter the phonetics of the words. Some languages, like German (and probably also French and Turkish) do not work at all, because a phoneme for "ü" is missing. 

maybe i can use blibliblibliiiiii bloubloubla blouuuuuuuuuu :listen:

sorry bad joke......

but i just want hunt melody of voice

i just listen megurine luka on you tube, whouaaaaaaaaaaa i want maried her :clueless:

soh sensuel voice and the sensibility its so Rnb

this is can play with synfire for the harmony hunting?

i just listen megurine luka on you tube, whouaaaaaaaaaaa i want maried her 

Haha, yes, I can understand that!  ;-)

did you use synfire rewire with this vocaloid?

did you use synfire rewire with this vocaloid?

I did let Vocaloid sing "la, la, la", controlled by Synfire. I have demonstrated that in this video: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TklzXHe8qY (you can jump to 2:50 in the video, there it starts singing).

Later, I have entered the notes of this la, la, la melody into the Vocaloid editor and added the real lyrics. It works, but it's a quite laborious procedure.

The video is from this thread, btw:

https://users.cognitone.com/de/content/christmas-carol

i go check that, thanks

vocaloid is expansive? i dont found megurine luka no where to buy

did you have a link?

sorry for all ask

impossible to see the seconde video youtube say clotured account

i want exactely do what you show me , control vocaloid wit synfire expression and the second part how to reinjected to the vocal

hooo i found it on amazone i think i go to buy it, luka is incredible

and thanks realy

Natural sounding vocals are still a ways away.  The pop music with such autotuned voices, almost doesn't sound natural.. 

What makes a great talented voice, who can control the speed and volume of their tremelo.  Who can bend in or out of pitch (just a smidgen).  Who can harmonize with themselves (pitch and timing).  And who has a good knowledge of singing techniques, to create a good sound..

Yes, we can always have autotuned voices, quadripled  unison vocals, for a nice sound.. but the main point here is we are making music..  It takes finess, tack, patience to work with a singer_... And then letting them contribute what they bring to the table.. I sometimes have a singer sound in mind.. But when working with a new singer, I try to accomodate them, pitching the song to the key they sound best in.. Trying to compensate for any deficiences they have or enhancing the skills they have..

I've played in bands for about 10 years, and then spent the last 40 in recording studios, working mostly alone or with one singer..  But part of music is about the communication of people involved.. You get some difficult people with astounding voices.

Yes, it might be the perfect dream to have a computerized voice that sounded natural.  But the knowledge a talented singer brings to the table is going to far outway any computer algorhythms. 

I'd settle for a decent computerized voice just to make demos of songs. 

hello

yes you right,i want use that just for demo and exemple siging melody

nothing more for me

http://www.soundiron.com/instruments/choirs/strawberry/

thanks a lot for the link

Me i have this one and i love it so much ------> (http://8dio.com/instrument-category/solo-vocals/#instrument/liberis-2/)

now i found the solution , 6 years now im focus on that, change voice , random voice , totaly transforme one voice to other melody

and yesterday for the first times i see the solution

i want say thanks,  for everobody for your support...

now i see the sky again...

for everybody i singgggg and i sayyyy

OOOOOOOH BABY YOUUUUUUUUUUU

YOU GOT WHAT I NEEEEEEED :yeah: :? :silent:

and yesterday for the first times i see the solution

And? What is the solution now? Megurine Luka?

no juergen the solution is not vocaloid for me..

vocaloid is realy nice, but i dont have the time to work with

my solution is, sing and use a vocoder(passive) with synfire

I'd settle for a decent computerized voice just to make demos of songs. 

markstyles

I agree computerized vocals just aren't there yet.

For one thing, every one I checked out was in a high soprano/boy voice.

That may work just fine for certain styles, but not for anything I do.

My solution is to sing it myself, and edit as much as needed with Melodyne etc.

I may not sound great, but I will sound real.

I use SFP to arrive at a melody I like and then record it in my DAW, and the results usually sound pretty good.

I agree computerized vocals just aren't there yet.

It depends. This Vocaloid version of an old Spanish song I like more than the original:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPYoTemIN6A

The original:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3UTk1csPFI

The Vocaloid3 voices Clara and Bruno really seem to be very good. I do not speak Spanish, but to me it sounds very authentic.