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Promised, it will knock your socks off!

Thanks for the video ... now looking for my socks.

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Andre, it's looking great, like it will be fun to use- I love the 'snippets' concept:). You may have to rename your software to Funfire lol.

And, you're welcome for reminding you:).

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Snippets option is crazy, i like it, Bravo bravo bravo, can i found this in the  Synfire 1.10.12 . Because i dont work anymore, and i dont found a new job at my age, my wife is the only  job  for the familly now.. can i have this Upate for free Andre please, when the Synfire 2  are here? How much its the price of this update ? That a bit stress to me..

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I don't understand how, as a musician yourself, you can't see the importance of being able to 'play' in a chord progression by using one key/pad presses/pressure rather than point, click and dragging them with a mouse

Do you mean something like Scaler?

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I am so f*****g excited about Synfire 2.0 , I can barely CONTAINER myself. 
Seriously, I am anticipating this more than any other product out there.   

 

 

Brahamh

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Will VST3 be supported in 2.0?

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Hi Andre

are extended/customisable key commands on the feature list please?

Thanks

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Here's a peek into the new rack library and streamlined sound wizard. It was a lot of work that took way longer than expected. Not so much a new 'feature', more an improved user interface, but hey. I hope this will finally put the confusion with sound setup to rest for good.

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This looks great and is something I have had a problem with through the years. 

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Updates look incredible Andre. Can't wait to use it.

Is there a set release date :) 

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Any chance we can get autosave. I just lost a  song......again. 

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For me its complicate again, i understand what this options do, but to much to much click and after sometime on the video i feel me lost.

For me Andre you have to work on this to be more evidente and clear, because to much  folder, to much read, to much wrigting, and this is not realy clear for somebody come on Synfire and dont know nothing about..

This is in my opinion, on  the problem synfire have and why is not something we can use like a charm everyday..

For me Synfire is the best, but its like a wooman with no voice, to much sign, to much wrigting, can take to much time to be in love everyday   and one day we are to tired to do more, we stop to comunicate ...

Andre excuse me realy, but take time to developpe a real langage Synfire, with symbol, with classic preset and all, because is not possible to click 150 times to create something in the setup for all, and that hard to be happy at the end, because we see a  save...

Sorry for my english, but Andre the Synfire 2 have to be a bit more modern on this point, if need a licence of aeronotik to use it, in the setup that not a good way to be in use with it and no stress.

 

Maybe im alone to think that, i dont know.. Look scaler, look Remidi2, look Sundog, Melodyne, Revoicer pro, Instascales or Instachords etc, Synfire its minimum 5 time more complicate to use of all, because the phase of the use the setup and preset etc is not working well, its to scientifique touch, need a bit to simplfy Synfire on the setup and the global use.. 

the drag and drop is perfect perfect pertfect, amaizing, but the heart of Synfire need to be developpe a bit more modern... not with a high school approch, but with a user friendly and  young approach.. (sorry but only old pappy like us can take time to use it like that, its to to complicate minimum 10 click to open only )

hope you understand me Andre, you have a to big head scientist, you need to hunt help from the base, more young more noob, to developpe more simple now..and this can be a revolution.

I realy realy dont want hurt no one here , please sorry if i do it, that not my target.

I Love Synfire ( in reality better to say, i always try )

 

 

 

 

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Trying to simplify a complex program is a good way of making it more complex. The examples you mention is like saying Microsoft Word needs to by easier to use, just look how easy Notepad is...

 

Getting a junior developer to clean things up is probably the worst possible thing you could do. If a building where complicated to construct, would the solution be to fire the senior engineer and hire someone "more young more noob"?

 

More "modern" is very arbitrary, when people give me specs like that I just hand them back (I'm a system developer).

 

What would be helpful would be to hire a senior UX designer that is a musician themselves but that would probably be around 10-20k USD a month. Then the developer(s) will need to implement the suggestions from the designer. So what might seem like something easy to fix is actually very expensive and requires a huge change in workflow for the company.

 

I'm not saying Synfire is perfect, I would too love to have a more streamlined and intuitive (more arbitrary words without any meaning...) GUI but being a developer myself, I know it's a much harder task than it might seem.

 

Also, how long didn't it take for Microsoft Word to get a decent UX? 15-20 years? I'm pretty sure they have more resources than Cognitone. 

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What you say is true to.

But my friend in 2021 IA and XIA do music for me when i sleep, with just my feet movement, people dont follow this kind of thinks, people want walking on the moon.

Only old people like us can anderstand, that why maybe we go to be erase by the world , we are to slow...

Maybe Synfire do a remake to BACK TO THE FUTUR,  whenever. if he do that, my love for him is forever..

Papy's team in effect

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Again, Synfire is complex to use because of its many features. If you can only do one thing in a program you will only need one button. Synfire is way more complex than that. If you hide away everything in Synfire instead of displaying everything at your fingertips, Synfire will be even more complicated (we should differentiate between complex and complicated) to use.

 

I'm not old btw, I just left my twenties.

 

Please, give me an example of a program that is similar to Synfire in its complexity but easy to use, would love to see an example! 

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Oscar, i dont want disturb you, i dont want nerve you, i just give a opinion. forgot my friend.

just need to put Synfire multilangage imperatively. french please

Im not afraid to suffer in producing..im from there.

PLease dont forgot

not only english german, need french spanish langage in Synfire, Cognitone have to do it for real that not a joke.. be serious on that Cognitone please

Andre say he go to do a book in english many years a go, i never see it no where ..

i want it if he exist..?

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The first hit when you google "synfire manual" is the manual for Synfire in English: https://www.cognitone.com/downloads/item.stml?p=10225

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Thanks Oskar

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andre I will pay to get in the beta and start playing with this stuff

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Right there with you. The suspense is killing me. 

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Count me in

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Me too! Can't wait to try!

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I'd also like to participate in a beta test.

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Hi Andre, please say something or anything about the beta! Don't leave us hanging, it's painful! :)

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No worries! No Covid, no heart attack, no alien abduction, no desperate jump from a roof :-) Everything is fine and on track. Sorry for the long silence. I'll show a few more details the coming days. Rest assured, I can't wait anymore too. This will be THE milestone for Cognitone and all users.

Current estimate is some time in October. There won't be much of a beta ready before that, unfortunately. This schedule is already very tight. 

Thanks for your enthusiasm. Absoltely refreshing.

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I am so glad we can roll out alien abduction. I was getting a little worried about that possibility. Love and appreciate you Andre thank you for all your hard work

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Andre, thank you! It's for Halloween then, hopefully!  :0)

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Thanks Andre for all this, stay young and with the power of the Jedi Night, God Bless You

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A few more details on 2.0: 

  • Containers, instruments (tracks), segments and symbols all can be muted (disabled) individually
  • Chord inversion and voicing (close, open) can now be set per each 'Chord' segment
  • A new transformation 'Reverse Values' keeps rhythm while arranging values (symbols, pitch, CC) in reverse order, e.g. you can reverse a melody w/o changing its rhythm! 
  • A new transformation 'Jazz Up', 'Jazz Down' adds or removes chord extensions to a progression
  • A new Output parameter shows a piano roll with final rendered notes (read-only, but useful to see the effect of any parameter change, especially Interpretation settings, in an instant).

And dozens improvements more.

Tools

There's a new eraser tool, scissors tool and mute tool.

Dimmed orange LED color now indicates a parameter that is not set, but can be derived from Figure, so you can drag those anyway.

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New Symbol Type 'Relative'

Symbol type 'Chord' (green) has huge overlap with type 'Vertical' (cyan). There is now a single type 'Chord' (green) that works like the former Arpeggio type (purple). A new 'Relative' type now comes with 2.0 with interesting features:

  1. Anchor is mapped like 'Chord', i.e. based on the chord's current inversion and voicing.
  2. Any additional symbols right or left are mapped relative to that on the vertical scale.

Effectively, this combines the green and cyan symbols into a single segment. For example, you can have a melodic line that starts at the current top note of the chord and continues from that (see pictures). Similarly you could have a line that starts from the 3rd, 5th, the bottom note, etc.

This was not previously possible, because vertical scale symbols have no idea what the current chord is (size, intervals, inversion, etc). The new 'Relative' type allows for great portable Figures that render beautiful patterns.

Input: 

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Output:

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Redesigned SMF Import Dialog

This dialog has been redesigned to be more intuitive and easier to navigate (see pictures).

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  • Containers, instruments (tracks), segments and symbols all can be muted (disabled) individually

YEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!

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