Why i cannot load a Drone by hand in Cubase 6.5?

The purpose was to avoid a complicated setup.

Relocating a VSTifrom SFP/E has to be a basic task to deal with in Synfire, but in practice it is not going smooth for me with Cubase 6.5..what caused this..where in the setup chain it goes wrong?

Interesting..perhaps you can add this setup to the WIKI too ?
I removed two WIKI articles ( what are not by me written , one is about  Harmony navigator and Vsti and the other about using expressionmap with Synfire) but i will replace them back ( if i am can find it back in my post ), because new users can benefit from this for Cubase.

Note: i don't know if the added WIKi can stand the required quality for Cognitone ?.. i think it is ok, because they are made by our well trusted author @juergen.

yes, it is not a state of mind i like and it went in a wrong direction..but a coin has two sides and assured myself that it never will happen again on this forum and stay relaxed. Cognitone is doing their outmost effort, to inform their customers about their products and i am one of them. :)

First i like to get the relocate ( export Vsti to DAW ) procedure working for Cubase 6.5 and Halion 4, because it is default setup.  
I use the 32 bit engine in SFE ( because the asio multiclient driver is only for 32 bit as it seems ) and than also forced by this, to use Cubase 32 bit.
Further i use Halion 4 ( but Halion Sonic Se will also work than, included in Cubase )
Synfire is master and Cubase slave and i start/quit SFE first.
For the Vsti in SFE i use a GM device setup as start to make it easier .
So let me try this setup with the Halion SE VSti included in Cubase, than you can try this  out also @juergen
Paths for Vsti and drone must be correct to.

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No ..the Halion Sonic is not going to work in SFE, so i choose Halion 4

I try this out only for one instrument that is enough

1 startup SFE - and open after this Cubase
2 go further with drones in Cubase ( rewire option in SFE is on for 2 options ticked ) ( when i start the transport in SFE it is synchronized working in Cubase ) 
Add the complete drone ( with midi channel assigning) in the VSti rack  (F11)--> this is unknow part further , becuase i don't know what else to do to prepare the Drone for the VSTi he got later from SFE
( A transportmodule must be loaded into the track on the input routing ? ...  

 Let it be this ( alone loading the Drone ) .. i tried out , but than there is no export of the Vsti to Cubase possible it seems. 

Hi blacksun,

Question : do you use a mac computer ?

I'm assuming you have halion running in the engine and playing a sequence within synfire?

Right now ..Halion 4 as plugin and a GM device setup used.
Nice feature in SFP/E is that i can use a GM sound from a list, and  i pick one ..the sequence is playing

Add a drone to a track in cubase... Does this load ok? In ableton you have to do this on a midi track, probably the same in cubase...

i did add a Drone ( F11 in Cubase) .. message : ( do you want to create a MIDi track assigned to plugin  Cognitone : Yes ...it is a MIDI track Drone 

Does this load ok? In ableton you have to do this on a midi track, probably the same in cubase...

It is in one go with Cubase..the Drone and midi track are at the same time added in Cubase

Now is coming the actual exporting of the VSti to Cubase ( relocating)..that is easy

Note: the Drone in Cubase has his own window ..with Playback mode on merged and the Online buton is lit (bright)

Ok  let me relocate it.. DAW2 Cubase: 01(-empty-)  to choose 

Goes fast .. on the bottom of the inspector there is indicator and it shows only the the port is released, but transferring the Vsti  i did not see like in the video tutorials with  the indicator, what shows two level of information as i am correct.

The Vsti in SFE should be exported now ..and i can play the Synfire phrase to check this, but no sound.

How can see that the VSTi is exported into Cubase ?..the Drone window shows internal GM copy, private new arrangment.

It seems to not working and perhaps has it something to to with the virusscanner .. ?
I don't use a dedicated music computer as a pro, so maybe the virusscanner is who spoils the setup ? 

Thanks

Yes, the focus of the track.. i selected the Midi track and put the monitor button on and record button and tried a combination of them..

I disabled the midi in for the keyboard in SFE and use the nanokey 2 keyboard midi in for Cubase..the event received indicator is flickering by pressing the keyboard ..but no sound

( Prior this i selected  the port DAW and node engine port and select the midi in the midi tab also, suddenly there was a sound..could not ascertain where the sound was coming from , but it disappear also ) 

I assume that the Drone editor in Cubase  is the button from the Drone window in Cubase? 
The editor button is not burning..and don't react on a mouseclick.
Ok the logic from the Plug-in Editor" button i understand .

That's it.. and i use a virus scanner norton and this can exclude a item from scanning . 
So the Halion 4 Vsti is not showing up in Cubase by clicking on the editor button..

I can use midi monitor in Cubase ?

Halion 4 has 32 outputs (i/O = multi(33) , i see in the Cubase Plug in manager) and is has a VST 3.5.0 standard..can that be conflicting with the Drone VSt 2.4 standard?

Ofcourse i can use Halion 4 by the 32 and 64 bit engine in SFE.
Do you think that  (Master, Out 2... Out 32 + Surround),  I/O=33.. exceed the 32 output limit for the Drone? 

I try to figure out if the Drone is capable to host the Halion 4 VSti , because it is limited to 32 outputs.

If it can be loaded in SFE than i should be possible to loaded also in the Drone..that is the assumption

It is not working the relocate feature, than there is another problem what stay in the way.  

By the way i remember it me now: i did a installation by hand  of the Halion Vsti into the Drone and it works normal

Something goes wrong with the relocate function than.

I made earlier a setup with SFE and Cubase and a Drone and it works..Synfire plays his phrase in Cubase

But the Drone is not in a midi channel assigned.. i loaded Halion 4 in a instrument track in Cubase  with a midi input routing: 1- cognitoneDrone- midi out

The  Editor button is here still not working from the drone window , but i can open the Drone with the standard Cubase editor button

Can this be fixed by Cognitone .. maybe ? 
How about complexity?.. at the same time a strong point for HN2/Synfire all those possible setups, but too difficult for the mass to handle, but i am biased because my setups go painful.. still able to laugh about it again

Thanks!

I try now the setup with Halion not as a Midi drone.. so i add the drone not in a midi track directly , but  add a seperate Midi track in Cubase
Let's look if this going to work..   

Let's look if this going to work..  

Not working too.

I got Halion 4 working as Drone by  hand installing  ( i thought as midi drone ticked in the check box.. if possible?  ).. i must check this.

Note: the drone seems to be have also 2 configurations with a Vsti ( as Midi drone or not ).. to complicate things more..

If Halion 4 is here the bad guy here why not using a another Vsti try to relocate a Vsti from SF

Thanks!

I realized myself at forehand that articulations handling with SFE and Cubase could not give a good workflow(  i don't have high expectatation from it at forehand ) ..so i was never  focussed on it. 
It was only for me this setup for experimenting try things out how the interaction works out .. 

How will you keep your Expression Maps data in sync with your alyways changing composition?

That i realized myself too..

I can bring in the Midi from SFE into Cubase and than add the articulation with the expressionmap, but than the relocate function comes in play ( that is why i am focussed to do this setup)..and it seems to be not working for Halion 4

Than by hand ?..but the relocate function in SFE, has also something to do with handy import of midi from SFE into Cubase?

 I made custom device description for Halion 4 with one sound and relocated this to Cubase 6.5..but it now work

- now i gonna make a custom device description for a Monophonic Vsti synth and try this to "relocate  to Cubase--if  this not gonna work..than as last try  a camel Vsti.

Might this all not work with "relocate"  than it has something to do with Cubase 6.5 ? 
This "relocate"function must be gonna work on Cubase 6.5 no exception. 

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I made the Vsti MUX synth with a custom device description and relocate it to Cubase -> now i got a message  "MUX has to many input/output channels" in the drone window in Cubase
This error message i did not get ( Halion has a max of 32 outputs what's ok)  with the Halion 4 Vsti when i try to relocate this with with a  Gm device description and also not for one sound device setup Halion 4

How many input/output has the MUX synth than? ..it is modulair synthesizer ..i can extent the outputs there
Question for mulab

Now i go to the Camel Vsti..

   Hi blacksun

Sorry I thought you had got it working with halion in a drone with the drone in cubase, but the drone not set as a midi drone (with the check box 'midi drone' in synfires instrument page unticked). That would be the best option if it works as it gives th best latency handling. There should be no reason, or at least i cant think of a reason, why that can't work if it works in the engine.

So this setup ( see pic ) is not the good one than?.. must  only  be unticked in the instrument inspector of SFE ?
How about exporting midi files ..that comes up now..if the relocate function is malfunctioning

 Problem is, when i do want to check if Cubase is not capable for the "relocate" function from SFE that i cannot choose a VSTi with a multiitimbral device description .. perhaps i can use Camel Vsti as test Vsti

Other try is to use a not timbral Vsti synth already loaded in SFE, but than i must first make a "custom device" setup in SFE otherwise the relocate function is also not working (  the relocate function can only be used together with a custom device description i think .. is this stated as constraint in the manual from SFP/E ? .. or if this surmise ( Prado ! ) of my ..wrong ?   

But than i must for the Plug-in make a new custom device description? (it is monophonic )..the device description button in the Instrument inspector came with a message to give a name on this new device description, but this is not the place to make a device description..it must be done in the Audio@midi screen from the global setup ?

Am i in the good direction ..or lost ..? ( keep on laughing :))

Thanks very much Jurgen!

Saves my a lot of time to test out .

I see the problem now ... with the soundcategory and name.. i give it a soundcategory ( that is stressed out to do that) but no name probably.
This is a tricky mistake to make and must be made more userfriendly  by Cognitone ... with a message that allocation not is possible if the 2 soundparameters are not filled in.
I try it out now ..  
It seems to be not working for Halion 4 ( Halion Sonic has 16 outputs ) and i used in my earlier attempts a GM device template also and there the soundcategory and name were filled in
Now i did for one sound ..and no Halion 4 relocate too

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I hope this can be fixed by Cognitone , because Halion 4/Cubase is a strong combination

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The idea to be not using this relocate functionality for Halion 4 makes me not happy.

I checked my installation of SFE and Cubase and loaded a another VSTi to check the relocate function

It works as aspected..
My question is shalll it possible to use Halion 4 in SFE  with the relocation function --> can this be fixed  for me ?

That is nice of you..to try me helping out here

Do what ever you need to to get rewire sync working in cubase

External synchronization in SFE : Ticked Rewire transport Sync + ticked checkbox Rewire Tempo

       Select plugin as the instrument type

I must than load first the Plugin Halion 4 before i can choose  the  DAW port : daw1 empty port

Our order differ ? ----> WAIT !!

 Ok i go wrong with the port knob and the jump menu ( tricky ) .. i used the wheel ... but in my setup i used the Load plug-in and loaded the Vst Halion and than choose the DAW Cubase driver
We are now going the other way around ! ( this is asking for trouble this whole menu )..haha

As indicated, allocate a category from the drop down list and enter a suitable name for the sound

i am stuck now , because i don't know what sound i have in the VSti Halion 4 selected

Thanks @blacksun ! very rigid your way of working .. i like it

I cannot work this out now , because i am tired off earlier setups today, so let us go on tomorrow .. OK? ( i got the idea that we are on the right direction )