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The software is already complete and being tested. Occasional bugs still cause ripple effects that need to be fixed, but no need to panic.

Content production however is still in progress and that's a big part of the pie (parameter templates, documents, factories, libraries, help, tutorials, localization, website update).

We're all impatient and can't wait anymore. If we were to launch something half-baked with big fanfare, the backlash would be devastating. So I ask everyone to be patient. I will keep you posted on the progress.

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in Cubase one can make a new version of a track

Already done: Duplicate a phrase (Command-D) and activate/inactivate it as needed. Inactivation will also work for containers, note symbols (Mute).

As this doesn't affect the whole 'track', but precisely one phrase in a container, it is even more targeted and convenient.

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May the Flow be with you.

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I don't aspect nothing else from the famous known German : grundlichkeit 
Its only that several times a ETA is announced for a new Synfire release but never make it. ;-) 
Logical that it must be 100 %  ready Synfire before it can be used.

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givE it givE it givE it to me! Old Disco track, givE it  to me Bro....

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I just read there will be a rating system for phrases.  Can't stop getting more excited for this when it's ready!

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This forum seems to have gone really quiet over the last week or so. Quiet before the storm?

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I've been trying to not distract Andre from his work, for purely selfish motives.

Never do more in the morning than you can undo in the afternoon.

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Personally, I don't know what the fuss is about. But my computer is refusing to boogie until Kim arrives to the party.

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As much as I love the excitement of wrapping it all up, twelve hours work vs. four hours of sleep are not healthy, so the only remedy is to be reasonable and do what can be done until it's all done. Synfire 2.0 is so great, I'm getting goose bumps all day and am dancing in the office ... it will be so worth the long wait. We will all have so much fun! 

A huge leap forward. So much easier to use, cleaner to look at, and more instant gratification. If you have a KIM library and a few plug-ins, it literally takes a couple minutes to fire up a deck of snippets and have fun with random arrangements, etc. Almost no sound setup is required anymore. Just drop a preset, plug-in or phrase on a snippet or anywhere in the arrangement and the Wizard pops up with pre-selected suggestions. The more presets and devices you collect over time, the more comfortable it gets.

And yes, Snippets also work with "classical" music. Any music actually. Currently doing  ambient tracks and film themes. Heck, there is no limit ...

Can't wait anymore. Borders on torture. Stay tuned.

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Borders is an underestimation. I will get a serious winter depression, if KIM and friends doesn't arrive soon..

 

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Nice to hear your exitement. We are looking foreward to share the fun.

Are the any compositional features/concepts of Synfire 1 that did not make it into Synfire 2 due to the redesign? 

For example, besides the algorithmic generation, can the new KIM results also be manually edited similarily to how one could edit figures in Synfire 1, like rhythmic transformations etc.? What about compatibility of version 1 data, like palettes etc?

:) 

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I just hope those goosebumps are contagious. :)

Never do more in the morning than you can undo in the afternoon.

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For example, besides the algorithmic generation, can the new KIM results also be manually edited similarily to how one could edit figures in Synfire 1, like rhythmic transformations etc.? What about compatibility of version 1 data, like palettes etc?

Sure. Generated phrases are raw material you can edit, combine, modify and dissect in any way you see fit. As you can also generate parameters, you can combine your own phrases from the output of multiple factories. For example, copy the Step output of one factory and use it as input for another.

All version 1 files can be opened. On installation, Synfire migrates all version 1 setup automatically. 

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Great, thanks! 

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Hello when i can test the beta?

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Andcé let me clean your shoes ....i'm ready to do it, to be the first to go in the dream of Synfire 2 with you...Brother!

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If my wish for Christmas was synfire v.2,0, what will the odds in % be that my wish was fulfilled .????????? LOL.
Merry Christmas to you Andre and to all in the cognitone user forum.

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Unfortunately, it still takes a little more time. There are so many things involved in the project that are not directly related to software development, and they are easily forgotten among all the enthusiasm. For example, we will have three editions: Synfire Sparks, Synfire Express and Synfire Pro. Synfire Pro is long finished, but the other editions still need to be tested separately. Harmony Navigator 3 will be released as a plug-in only next year. 

To shorten the waiting time a bit, here is an example built 100% by KIM Factories. There is truly not a single recorded or imported snippet in it! Everything is generated and then assembled. Yes, even the drums.

And I can tell you: This is really a hell of fun. I wouldn't have come up with these rhythms and all the details on my own. KIM simply dropped them in front of my feet and the groove got going ;-)

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This is very disappointing.
The upgrade has been announced and postponed too many times.
If Synfire Pro is ready, why wait?
I understand that from a marketing point of view it is good to release everything together. But it is also good to take announcements seriously.
 

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Awesome music but seriously?   If its finished cant  you just drop it into our account with a paypal link next to it?  My guess is that we wont see SFP 2.0  until June if you  are developing new products  and a new    website.   Please?

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Yes, delays are disappointing and we are sorry for that. Between finishing a software and being able to distribute it there are unpredictable factors at play, which is why almost nobody ever announces a definite ETA. Missing the holiday season already is a big loss for Cognitone that nobody takes lightly. We're still enthusiastically looking forward to the release and the future.

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Sparks, Express and Pro are all based on the same code, so no new products. Work on HN3 will not start before Synfire is released. It won't take that long anymore.

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Hi Andre,

If you don't mind, may I ask if Cognitone and Virharmonic are somehow related or if some people are somehow involved with both companies?

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Congratulations to you and the team for the progress so far.  Have a safe, enjoyable and rejuvinating holiday break.  I look forward to the release in the new year.

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Patience is a virtue. 

By the way, regarding the installer of Synfire 2: Please make it possible to install Synfire 1 and 2 in parallel on one machine. I will certainly use Synfire 2 in the first time only for playing around. For more serious activities I don't like to deal with bugs so much and will rather continue to use Synfire 1 for the time being.

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Happy Holidays to one and all.  Thanks for the hard work Andre and Team!  As an old coder, excited to hear about the "music scripting language thingy" you are tinkering with.  

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Please make it possible to install Synfire 1 and 2 in parallel on one machine.

I'm glad you bring this up, as it is one of the things that happen to unexpectedly delay a release: Deployment. A parallel installation can be very useful indeed. Just think of running a Demo before deciding to upgrade. A lot of thought went into this.

To ensure a seamless upgrade experience (not only from 1 to 2, but also from Sparks to Express to Pro), we improved a few things. Your saved project files are left untouched, but the folder structure has been unified. A previous 'Config' folder is updated and several folders renamed from 'Synfire Pro' to 'Synfire', which is now used by all editions. After an upgrade, you can simply continue with the entire setup you already have. Previously, upgraded installations came up empty.

Also, the Audio Engine (engine, drone plug-ins, plug-in scanner, transport module, etc) is difficult to separate depending on version, because of name clashes, DAWs loading plug-ins automatically, etc. In short: The audio subsystem of the OS is built on the assumption that everyting is global. There is no means for different versions of plug-ins to exist side by side, unless they use different names and identifiers (which breaks your existing projects).

All this makes it hard to support parallel installations. If we solve this for demos, there might be an option though.

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Just wondering Andre,

In order to sate the horde, why don't you release the documentation for Synfire 2 on the wiki here. That way you will also reduce the admin burden of questions when Synfire launches, and get manageable feedback on the manual itself. 

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That is a splendid idea,and it will be a new experience for me, to actually read a manual first.

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