Midi import for octave chords

The idea is to  use the programmed chords from HAlion5 in Synfire
Example Cm-Fm-Db-G ..these chords in HAlion5 are programmed as 5 note chords ..a triad and two octave chord note

Normal importing gives a wrong recognition.. splitting the 5 note chord in two midi files ( a triad and a 2 note midi file) should be the solution

Now you say that can import these chords by  import for static for harmonizer ..then make from the static symbols arpeggio symbols ..then figure recognition..done

Can i extract the chordtype in the harmonizer ?

This seems to me totally userunfriendly to handle these type of chords in Synfire, because there is nothing documented.

A better idea could be to make a dedicated take editor with a keyboard for bringing in these chords.
After harmonization and figure recognition for chromatic symbols i can check the chord in HAlion5 keyboard too.

Look at the post https://users.cognitone.com/content/figure-recognition-triads-root-note-and-two-octave-notes-under-i  to get a better idea

I DO WANT MY PROGRAMMED HALION5 CHORDS IN SYNFIRE and the best solutions seems to me

a improved take editor with a keyboard for bringing in the chords easy ! ( no hassle anymore with chord drawing in Cubase with exporting/importing midi chord files )

For those 5 note chords i must make two tracks seperated in the take editor ( triads and the 2 octave notes) and use two instrument tracks to assemble the5 note chord...i did this already and it works out very well.. exactly the HAlion5 pad chords in Synfire.

With the take editor to get those chords seems to the most easy way... but this is also possible with arpeggio symbols?

As i understand it now from you ..

I draw this 5 note chord in the take editor as arpeggio symbols..group them as segment

Then extract a chord symbol from the chord in the harmonizer and apply the proposed figure regocnition..done ?

The arrangement screen shows a figure ..and now this chord plays exactly the same chord on the HAlion keyboard.

I did a quick test, but the resulting figure gives not the right progression( (for 4 chords) from Halion ( and made a customized figure recognition with the "accidentals"option on)
I must made another testprogression..

note: for more userfriendlyness ..this must be improved because a average user never comes on this approach

Can't understand why you as Synfire developer who is extremely focussed on chords,  gives not more attention to chords with double notes in it and make this more accesible to handle this for composers ?

Why do you need to recognize chords that you already know by name? As far as I understand, you want to copy the chords you have configured with Halion to Synfire. Why not just type the chord names into the progresson editor?

That is not always the case with Halion5 with the notes under the pads attached..there are enough pads with nothing written on it ( no chord symbol ..blank) , so there is a need for chord symbol recognition.

When i do want make a library of Halion chords in Synfire ,  i do need a chord symbol.

There is a need for a take editor with a keyboard input, what easily can brings in  notes from Halion5 for recognition

A idea is for you to try a demo version of HAlion5 for mac computer...then it becomes more clear. 

If recognition of 5-note chords is important, try the other Harmonizer style settings  "Complex", for example. By default, the Harmonizer prefers simple chords over complex ones.

 I am satisfied for now with the recognisition capabilities of Synfire in the harmoniser  ...  with the simple chords option..this is not relevant here.
The issue is here how to handle those chords from Halion5 into Synfire ....
Synfire comes with the right chords till now in the harmoniser... solid working..outstanding programming..well done. 

Crazy enough it seems to be now possible to draw the 5 note progression Cm-Fm-Db-G directly in the phrase editor 

(saves a lot of time now the take editor is not needed anymore )
Needed condition for this that HAlion5 chords are correct ..probably: first make a chord progression in Synfire with chordsymbols of the triads there.

So i made Cm and Fm as a start with a  5 note chord and grouped the 5 note chord with the chordsymbol.
The lower soundrange was not working for the Fm chord bottom tone, so i extend the lower soundrange.

I made also a library of the two chords as test..but the library use also : accept for sound..so i missed here again the bottom note of Fm ..so you must check the chord in the library  
It seems that every new chord Fm in the library dragged in the arrangement has the option : accept from sound

This seems to be a problem...the FM chord ..how to extend the lower playing range for the library chord sound? 

Synfire cannot handle this type of 5 note chords from HAlion5 as arpeggio symbols and grouped ..gives a wrong recognition.
I think in general Synfyre cannot recognise double chord notes in chords. 

I get the right HAlion5 chords by drawing the 5 notes in the take editor ( importing from Cubase gives also trouble for the 5 note chords ) and then feed this in the harmonizer ( not grouped or symbol type chance )
When it is a figure you could group it and make chords out of it .

Drawing chord notes in the phrase editor is not working with HAlion5 because it can use a inversion what is not the same chord as HAlion5 has used( perhaps can this be chanced in the progression by chancing the root note?), you must draw this in the take editor with the right recognition ( customized : accidentals on ).
Maybe drawing a triad in the phrase editor with the right bass note adjusted could give the right Halion chord on the keyboard from HAlion5 ?

Suppose if this is working for triads and seventh chords then there is no need for the take editor drawing chords there ( saves a lot of time) 
I must try this out too..very much trial and error to get his working for HAlion5 chords
   

To make it easier ..split the 5 chord in 2 parts in the take editor and draw them there.

Cm-Fm-Db-G ..5 note chords progression

Cm = c1-c2-c3-d#3-g3
Fm= f0-f1-c3-f3-g#3

Db = c#1-c#2-c#3-f3-g#3
G = g0-g1-b2-d3-g3

All root notes of the triad chords are doubled 2 times in octaves
The whole idea is to use the programmed HAlion5 chords in Synfyre, but for this it must be done as a take with the harmonizer and right recognition, but maybe it can be still done quicker by drawing a triad progressionin the phrase editor and adjusting the bass note that it shows the right chord on the HAlion5 keyboard? 
If the chord is correct recognized by HAlion i add the other two doubled octave notes on a different instrument channel ( maybe i can bypass the take editor here too ) and draw directly in the phrase editor  

I made 4 ...5 note chords in the phrase editor Cm-Db-Fm-G and made 4 library chords ..sounds great..and goes easy.

Problem with the library is that the lower range  can not be edited: Synfire gives a error message : Ranges can be edited now

Playing two chords in the library let not hear the bottom notes ... how to fix this ?

Aah ..HAlion has a chord Am/G where the G (bass note) not belong to the chord ..all chord notes obey to the typed in chord Am, but not the g note

How to treat this exception in Synfire ..the g note.. perhaps make a static symbol of it ?   

In search of the lost chord..moody blues..

The chords in the library keep on playing... a panic button should be handy to stop playing.. now i must go to audio&midi setup screen

Also i do find the panic too close at the Reset knob...i clicked wrong on the reset knob..it should be better if there is panic knob at the library too..why not ?

A distance of one knob between the Reset knob and the Panic knop is better !

No.. i must stick to the Synfire chords for the recognition of chordnotes or fifth, fourhts,..in fact all programmed notes under the pads

The true chords in auron can also work in Synfire without problem, but a fifth ( two notes) or fourth (2 notes) has a particulair chord attached to it..to get the same sound in auron ( notes fits in the chord )
Example : d#3-c#4   .. A Cm7(b9) has also these chordnotes in it, but the rest of underlying instruments obey to this chord tto in a arrangement  

A rather heavy chord .. i make a library for Auron and lets see how composing is going then?

:-o :-? Got a new nasty problem ... a chord note is first pressed and then half way the first bar.. a another note is pressed..while the chord Emin is for 1 measure long set.

Strange .. Emin = e1-b1-e2-g2--b2-c3-e3  = e_1+2+3-g_2 -b_2

Note on/off .... ?

When i dragged the chord to a library ..it is playing the right notes and keeping doing this
Only when constructing the chord in the phrase editor ..it changes two keys when i use the symbol tools and position the chord note and listen to it.