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Try installing the Vienna ensemble pro (server) in Synfire.
The intention is to install 2 multitimbral Vienna ensemble pro with 16 midi tracks each as a rack
Can then fill 32 instrument tracks in synfire with instruments
These 32 midi instrument tracks in Synfire can then be used to start connecting Divisimate and record some orchestral music.
So 1st step is to install the Vienna ensemble pro ( 2x ) in Synfire
Has anyone already done this setup ?
If this setup is possible then i can experiment with divismate in Synfire and record the keyboard playing in Synfire
( does Synfire supports multitrack recording ? ) .. remember not , so using divisimate not possible ?
Mon, 2023-06-19 - 02:46 Permalink
I can think of a couple of solutions.
Use Divisimate in the output chain, connect it to synfire as 32 'external' midi instruments. This uses synfire to generate the rough music and divisimate to enhance it, although this is probably not what you wanted.
Use divisimate in the daw and save the output in the daw. Export the midi data to a file and import that into synfire's library system like you'd capture any interesting phrases.
Combine both of these options together, probably with two different arrangements and not at the same time. use synfire to generate the rough draft, divisimate to enhance it in the daw, then export to file and import file into synfire to grab the great bits.
As for setting up vienna, there is a tutorial for it but not yet updated for version2, but might help...
https://users.cognitone.com/tutorial/vienna-ensemble-pro-setup
Mon, 2023-06-19 - 09:56 Permalink
Thanks, but the idea is that there is input from Divisimate via a keyboard and Synfire records it via multi -track recording.
In my opinion there is no multi track recording possible in Synfire.
Furthermore, it is now not clear to me how the setting up for Vienna Ensemble Pro works for Synfire in the tutorial.
Via a DAW first record divisimate and then import I do not see the point , since the import of the midi may change it.
You can actually conclude that Synfire is not suitable for use with Divisimate.
Tue, 2023-06-20 - 01:38 Permalink
You've managed to confuse me, I now have no idea what you want to achieve, what your end goal is. I thought it was to generate source orchestral material for synfire using divisimate, but it seems like I was wrong. Synfire will 'always' change the midi, regardless of how you get it into synfire, unless you use static imports and turn off figure recognition. If you switch everything to static, you loose the power of synfire and you might as well use your daw.
For me it makes sense to capture the output of divisimate in my daw where I can preview it, cut it up, delete bits, time stretch or compress bits and then export the interesting bits to a file which I can import into synfire and make into a library. I can then use the resulting figures and parameters in new tracks with different harmonic progressions, etc. Trying to record 32 channels of realtime midi data into synfire as static notes and then not processing it once in synfire makes no sense (and isn't possible). Use your daw, it was made for things like that.
As for vienna, sorry I can't really help, I don't own it, but there are several youtube videos that explain how to set it up in a daw, and together with the tutorial I linked to, you should be able to work out how to use it with synfire. If not just make a new post with what you don't understand and the problems you are having and I'm sure someone will help, assuming you still want to use it with synfire.
Tue, 2023-06-20 - 09:48 Permalink
I thought Divisimate allows you to record 32 midi channels simultaneously via keyboard in a DAW.
I would also like to do the same thing in Synfire, but can't.
Would you do this with Synfire (suppose: can't because Synfire can't record 32 midi channels at once) then they are not static symbols what you record.
Am afraid if you use Divisimate in a DAW and then import the recorded midi into Synfire, it will be too much different from the original in the DAW.
Haven't tried it yet, so would have to try it out.
Two Vienna Ensemple Pro multitimbral vst gives 32 midi channels and how this is supposed to be installed in Synfire is not clear to me ( doesn't make sense anymore either, because Synfire can't record DIvisimate keyboard playing)
The setup for two Ensemble Pro multitimbral Vst , of which I thought an instructional video can be found for Cubase, so that is certainly interesting instead of each midi track getting a Vienna ensemple Pro server vst ( THIS SETUP CAN BE USED FOR SYNFIRE TOO , SO IT HAS VALUE)
I am using Vienna ensemble pro 7 and are the video made for Vienna ensemble pro by Cognitone still relevant ?
Wed, 2023-06-21 - 10:41 Permalink
You dream up the weirdest workflows. Personally I can see no point having 32 channels of static midi in synfire unless you were trying to create music with 32 drummers or to speed up the import process and selectively process parts of that midi later(which will change those parts anyway). However if you do have a use case for 32 channels of static midi data, just change the options to import as static with no transposing and import the file exported from your daw.
Wed, 2023-06-28 - 17:58 Permalink
Your rack looks fine. You need to edit the device description (DD) for each rack module and add the sounds you have loaded on the server side.
Or download pre-made DDs from the Repository.
Wed, 2023-06-28 - 21:39 Permalink
Don't quite understand why you should take this setup, as Cognitone recommends using multiple instances of the Vienna ensemble Pro if your computer can handle it.
Then you have 16 midi channels per VSP rack
Also depends on how many instruments in your orchestral template you want to create in Synfire or a DAW like Cubase
With that Vienna Prime sound library you can then for example create a Strings VEP rack and a Woodwinds VEP rack etc and assign 16 instruments in it, but I'm not sure.
Has Cognitone already discussed the consequence for the mixer routing for a DAW in the current setup you are creating?
