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I have a license question:

When purchasing the upgrade from Synfire Pro 1 to Synfire Pro 2, am I still entitled to run Synfire Pro 1?

I'm planning to run Synfire Pro 2 on my home Mac under MacOS Monterey and alternatively Synfire Pro 1 on my studio computer under Windows 8.

Is this allowed (and modelled by the iLok license management)?

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I agree this is a great idea, but the documentation is still being worked on, which is one of the bottlenecks I mentioned. But yes, when a first version is complete, we can publish it ahead of the release. 

Also, existing users will be able to upgrade as soon as deployment is basically possible. Even if the 'official' launch might be weeks away. Marketing considerations shouldn't affect you much.

Here's a first video with KIM as A.I. assistant helping me out. She can be a bit unruly and obsessed at times, but her reliable articulation is a boon when there's little time for long sessions in the studio. She is slowly becoming dear to my heart ;-)

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I'm planning to run Synfire Pro 2 on my home Mac under MacOS Monterey and alternatively Synfire Pro 1 on my studio computer under Windows 8.

Due to new file formats, you won't be able to use in your studio any files you created at home. Technically, an upgrade converts a license into another, but there are workarounds, should you really need one. Contact me directly for details.

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Love this Andre

especially libraries with their own racks!

maybe you should rename this to Kimfire

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> Existing users will be able to upgrade as soon as deployment is basically possible.

Very kind indeed! I would also be happy to sign a non-disclosure agreement to give you extra piece of mind, and likely others too. 

Possibly, such early adapters could also provide a service, like acting as testers, or even contributing user content (which you might further curate), giving a bit of a headstart to other users joining later. Just an idea...

 

 

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Hi Andre, when the expected release date of synfire pro 2.0? About...thks

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Perhaps he better doesn't set any ETA to avoid missing that?? 

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Technically, an upgrade converts a license into another, but there are workarounds, ...

Oh, does that mean, that Synfire 1 won't start up with an upgraded license? Good to know if that's the case. 

 

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To be honest, I'm not 100% sure about the details yet. If there's possibly a way to make existing installations of Synfire 1 accept a Synfire 2 license owned by the same person, that woud be great.

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I'm not sure about the Ilok licensing system, but for example with Cubase it is possible without any problems to open for example Cubase 6 with a Cubase 10 license. I would assume that this should be possible with Ilok-based systems as well.

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It's a huge step in the simplification area already when setting up up the sound sources. Please try to have same approach for other key functionalities... I have to say I gave up version 1 (too complex for me and using scaler 2 helped me a lot to go to the point ...even it's not a real prototyping software indeed...)

loooking forward to try synfire 2 !

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Please try to have same approach for other key functionalities

Sure. The same drag/drop tree organization and search module is already used for rack modules and presets (shown in the video), device descriptions, and phrase libraries. 

This, the new Sound Assistant, Overview, Factories and Snippets, and a more modern UI behavior in general, make Synfire 2.0 a completely new experience from the ground up. Oh, and there's a long list of hundreds of items that have been fixed, improved and streamlined.

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Are there any scripting languages similar to the KIM stuff that I could familiarize myself with before launch?

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I recall something about it being akin to prolog

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> akin to prolog

As fas as I remember only somewhat in terms of concepts, but not syntax. Also, AFAIK, KIM will not (yet?) be user-accessible in the next version.

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I am new to this forum. Have read the thread about Synfire 2 and as hobbyist with almost no music theory background but fascination for generative, emerging music making I am quite excited what Cognitone has in the works.

Is there a rough ETA? Just rough, Q1, Q2 or later 2022?

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The rough ETA was at least 6 months ago, LOL.

But Synfire 2.0 is worth waiting for, as many here will attest.

In its current state Synfire is an indispensible addition to my studio. Synfire 2.0 promises to be even better, by a large margin.

Edit: Welcome to the forum!

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You've come to the right place!  Synfire is a slightly obtuse beast, but it would appear Andre and team are hard at work making things more user-accessible and powerful. That being said, after you jump a few hoops and start grabbing stuff and transforming sound with the tool, it's a great, inspirational starting point, and great fun to boot!  (for twisted techno-creative types such as ourselves)

"generative, emerging music making":  I like that, may start a new thread as I'd like to pick some brains around here. I have a little knowledge, and that breeds (dare I say generates) more and more questions.  I've been picking up some music theory over the years.  That knowledge, along with using tools like Synfire (and many others) has endowed me with strange musical superpowers and a heap big thirst to KNOW MORE.  

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Progress is doing fine. Still producing content.

KIM factories are very much like synthesizers that generate phrases instead of sound, with lots of controllers to play with (see image). Imagine a synth that comes with no presets. That would be unacceptable. Therefore we are now orking on a hundred or so pre-built factories that can serve as inspiration and a starting point for refinement. Occasionally a bug pops up that needs fixing.

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Oh, and then there's this Dice button for random settings. I'm having a hard time sifting through thousands of suggestions, some of which are so surprising, they could give rise to musical styles nobody has ever heard of. A cornucopia of music.

And while all this is being done, new workflows emerge that I haven't thought of yet. Good stuff for new tutorials. At this point everything is falling nicely into line, which is a very good sign.

Will keep you posted.

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thanks for the update man

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> Imagine a synth that comes with no presets. That would be unacceptable. 

I understand that presets are of course important for marketing, but I for one would not agree with the absoluteness of this statement. After all, early analogue synths did indeed start without presets, and some may even consider that a feature. Sorry, but someone had to respond to this... 

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I prefer having Andre finding all the bugs rather than me :) 

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I'd say it would be much worst than a marketing problem, if users fail to get something useful after hours of fiddling, only because there are no starting points in this vast combinatorial space to depart from. This is a new pardigm and nobody has any experience with it yet. There need to be a few guardrails and signposts in this empty universe, or people get lost.

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Hi Andre

There's no rush. Take your time to get this right. We can wait.

 

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Hi André

I like to have the right combination ;-)

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Can't wait. Very exciting features. Take your time Andre. 

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Fair enough. Anyway, as I wrote before, I am certainly happy to wait. No rush.  :)  

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I am a bit confused about Synfire v2 release date after such a long time since it has been mentioned in the first post. I now want to decide to either buy Reapidcomposer (stable and M1 ready and quite feature rich) or wait a bit for Synfire v2 (probably more expensive but more features). Current Synfire does not run on my Mac Mini M1. I do not want to wait another month. So please advise. Thx.

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Synfire and Rapid Composer are different beasts altogether.  (I own both) Both are made by small, dedicated teams of programmers who love their craft and their product.  Writing code is hard work.  Making sure the software is stable on whatever hardware/software it ends up getting run on is very tedious, time consuming work: the complete opposite of fun.  v2 will run on M1 Macs when it's released (yay!)  Take your time folks, get it right. Everything I've seen so far in these forums has me excited for Synfire v2.  
 

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Synfire and Rapid Composer are different beasts altogether.  (I own both) Both are made by small, dedicated teams of programmers who love their craft and their product.  Writing code is hard work.  Making sure the software is stable on whatever hardware/software it ends up getting run on is very tedious, time consuming work: the complete opposite of fun.  v2 will run on M1 Macs when it's released (yay!)  Take your time folks, get it right. Everything I've seen so far in these forums has me excited for Synfire v2.  
 

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