HN2 Adv Drag-and-drop with Ableton Live 10

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HN2 Adv Drag-and-drop with Ableton Live 10

Hi,

Could somone kindly confirm for me yea or nay if Harmony Navigator 2 Advanced Edition allows drag-and-drop export of MIDI to Ableton Live 10 or not?

If so, I'd really appreciate instructions and/or video on *exactly* how to do it (where to drag from/to, when to press spacebar or whatever).

I'm new to the program and though I've tried to work with the information in the manual and what I've been able to find in the Forum, I've had zero success so far.

- Steve

P.S.   I'm using the Windows version.

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Copied here for future reference:

    Export is as simple as drag & drop: Grab the instrument name, drag away from HN, tap spacebar to tell HN you want to export rather than move elsewhere inside HN, and then drop it on your DAW track. With Advanced Edition, this also works for the entire song, or sections thereof (grab the section).

OK, finally  I've succeeded.   

Here is the thing - spacebar must be pressed outside of both HN and the target DAW.   

IOW, press spacebar while over the desktop, observe the cursor "prohibited" sign change to a cross (before you drag over the DAW), and then, still holding the mouse button down, drag into the DAW and release the mouse button over the DAW.

FWIW, if this was assumed to be "obvious", that was definitely not the case for me!

This is all works from the Progression or Mixer tab, but not from the Palette tab (unless I am mistaken).

Having drag-and-drop directly from the Palette tab is much to be desired, IMO.    Perhaps that could be added.

Thanks!

(Harmony Navigator 2 Adv v 2.7.14 Build #1 Windows)

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Here is some more visual information, as of 20190103, HN2 v 2.7.14

It took me a good deal of time to settle this, and I suppose that's just part of learning new software.   I hope these visuals can save others some time ... 

hn2_midi_drag_01.jpg

hn2_midi_drag_02.jpg

hn2_midi_drag_03.jpg

 

(Harmony Navigator 2 Adv v 2.7.14 Build #1 Windows)

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Thanks for sharing your insigths.

The reason Harmony parameter cannot be exported as MIDI is: It is abstract information & rules only, rather than physical notes. Harmony has no pitch.

In addition to Harmony, it requires an instrument and a phrase to render one particular interpretation of the harmony. The number of those is infinite. It could be sustained chords in root position, or other inversions, or a bass line, or a guitar solo, or ....

Most users might assume harmony is always rendered as sustained chords in root position. But still then, it is not clear at which octave those should be rendered and if the sound being used can even play the whole pitch range that is covered (that's why some instrument setup is needed beforehand)

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Thanks kindly for this explanation.  

I follow what you are saying about the abstract nature of Harmony, lacking pitch, inversion, etc.

I will continue to study.  

 

(Harmony Navigator 2 Adv v 2.7.14 Build #1 Windows)

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