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Is it possible to get a videotutorial for using SFP with Cubase 6.5 ?
Or perhaps a text tutorial?
What is the big advantage of using a (prive plugin in a DAW= Drone) ?---> exporting the SFP file to a midifile in the DAW
Cubase has some builtin VSti like Halion Se ..can i use this in Synfire ?
The wish is for me to use the inbuilt VSti from Cubase 6.5..i don't know if they comparable with the regular Vsti's ( like Kontakt, etc)
Tue, 2012-07-10 - 20:07 Permalink
Cubase has some builtin VSti like Halion Se ..can i use this in Synfire ?
I did not succeed in loading any of the Steinberg plugins into the Synfire Engines or Drones. If I try to load Halion Sonic SE I get the response that it could not be loaded. Don't know what's the problem with them. They also cannot be loaded into Finale, btw. Maybe because they are VST3 plugins?
Wed, 2012-07-11 - 13:48 Permalink
I don't know if they are v3 and if synfire supports v3 vstis. Also are you sure they are licensed, and built for use outside hosting in cubase? I've had vsts that came with sonar that complain if I try load them in another daw and probably hoSting them in synfires drones would count as a non cubase host.
Midi drones or virtual midi cables are the way to go in these cases.
Wed, 2012-07-11 - 14:15 Permalink
I don't know if they are v3 and if synfire supports v3 vstis. Also are you sure they are licensed, and built for use outside hosting in cubase?
They are vst3 .. i try to figure this out if i can use the Halion SE inbuilt VST in Cubase 6.5 ?..and more?
The Drone recognizes not the inbuild Halion SE as a VST instrument .. how ?..i don't know yet.
Midi drones or virtual midi cables are the way to go in these cases.
Midi drones seems to be not working in Cubase 6.5 for the Halion SE and a with a midi cable ??
Than i must load the Halion SE as a VST instrument and connect SFP with a loopbackdriver
On this way is the automatic connection/detection Vsti of Synfire not working and you go back to the earlier manual soundassigning ( what is not userfriendly and therefore is SFP a while ago updated..so you go back to a primitive situation )
Wed, 2012-07-11 - 22:17 Permalink
Is it possible to get a videotutorial for using SFP with Cubase 6.5 ?
I can not create a video at the moment, so I try to explain with some screenshots the setup for the routing from a Synfire MIDI Drone to a Steinberg plugin which is directly hosted at Cubase.
The term "MIDI Drone" means that the Drone does not host the VST instrument itself (what's the usual way to use the drones but does not work for Steinberg plugins, because for some reason they can not be hosted at the drones). A MIDI Drone only receives MIDI data from Synfire which then can be routed to a VSTi, which is directly hosted at Cubase.
To do that, use the following steps:
- In Cubase load the "VST Instrument" CognitoneDrone (picture Cubase_Loading_Drone.png). If you are asked, if you want to create a MIDI track for this "Instrument", you can select "No" because you do not need a separate track for the Drone.
- Create a new instrument track. Choose the desired VST instrument, for example Halion Sonic SE and load the desired sounds into the VST instrument.
- At the input of the track choose "1 - CognitoneDrone - Midi Out". The little loudspeaker symbol at the track inspector or the record button next to it must be switched on which means that the track will accept MIDI input data (see "Cubase_Track_Setting.png").
- In Synfire create an instrument, select the instrument tab at the inspector and make the settings shown in the picture "Synfire_Drone_Setup.png": Choose Type: "Private plugin", Port: "DAW2: Cubase01" (or similar), select "MIDI Drone" and make the desired instrument settings (channel, program, ...)
Wed, 2012-07-11 - 22:37 Permalink
Thank you very much Juergen!
It seems to be not so complicated ..but this reminds me on the HN2 MIDI sound assigning.. to make after all a device setup what is enclosed in the project, but for that you have to go to the AUDIO&MIDI setup in synfire pro ?
I will try this out and the next thing i am interesting in is the interaction between SFP en Cubase
I remember also that in SFP the composing is done for the greatest part and than it is transferred to the DAW
So Cubase has the function to supply his internal sounds for SFP and make the endmix of the composition made in SFP
It can also serve as phrase generator, it works the other way around.
Wed, 2012-07-11 - 22:44 Permalink
It seems to be not so complicated ..but this reminds me on the HN2 MIDI sound assigning..
Of course you can also still use the setup, which you know from HN2 (MIDI loopback driver). This was not so bad, IMO, and I actually still use this kind of setup sometimes.
But using the MIDI drones instead has the advantage that you can drag the MIDI data directly from the drone and drop it at a track at Cubase. That's a really cool thing. ;) No need to export MIDI files from Synfire and reimport them into Cubase anymore.
Thu, 2012-07-12 - 11:53 Permalink
That's a really cool thing.
No need to export MIDI files from Synfire and reimport them into Cubase anymore.
That is handy, but the composition in SFP is than almost finished.
I like to see the other way around too..doing some composing in Cubase
Unfortanely Cubase 6.5 has a terrible score editor right now ( compared with the ease of Notion / finale/sibilius, etc i think) for quick composing with the score editor.
I am still confused about the traditional score composing and that from SFP with his "symbols"
The problem is that all people compose in traditional scoring and from that you can learn
Its working in two worlds: in Cubase you work with a scale and a staff , while in SFP you work with scale steps in a particular scale
Translating traditional note scoring to SFP phrase editor is too difficult i think
Real time playing a piano melody and recording this in SFP, but i like to have the same notes as my note example
How to get the same note pattern, especially when it is difficult to play?
SFP also translate the midi pattern, so some from the original midi can be lost
It should be better if SFP has a score editor for traditional note entry together with the phrase editor , than there is a interaction between the phrase editor with the symbols and the traditional score
You can compose than with the score editor and translate this to the phrase editor
After a while you can work more with the phrase editor because you know what this structural means
A traditional score editor in SFP is also better..because people who compose on the traditional way will be now interested to buy SFP too.
Problem is i think for SFP ..how to get a score editor ..because that seems to be a complicated task to program.
Thu, 2012-07-12 - 13:09 Permalink
If you want to import into sf and have it play exactly the same, import as static notes. I believe yOu can also get your daw to play the notes into synfire if you prefer to use your daw to edit.
Personally I don't see any point to entering notes into sf using a full notation view, if I was musically gifted enough to be able to compose with a notation editor, why would I need to use synfire? However, I do see the advantage of installing lillipond so that once I've composed something in synfire it can be output as proper notational score, this is something synfire already supports.
Andre has hinted that the phrase editor does need some work to make it more useful when creating phrases from scratch and I look forward to seeing these, but if it were a full notation score editor, I wouldn't be using it.
I have to hear the music to tell if I like it, I am unable to judge what sounds good just by viewing it in a notation view, although a lot of people would disagree with what I consider good!
Thu, 2012-07-12 - 18:14 Permalink
I personally would like to see a traditional score and edit that way.. but it's not a big deal.. I taught myself about 5 years ago using Logic. Now I sometimes find it faster to build an arrangement, correct and enter phrases and parts, using the score editor.
Right now, SFP has enough issues going on with it, a score editor can wait. We really need to get all the users here up to date with all the various aspects. It seems only a handful post here. making me wonder if other owners, are too overwhelmed to ask or post things here.
I have imported my Logic songs static and rewired them together. I shut off the same Logic tracks. About 20 mlliseconds is as close as I can get the two apps.. So it's a little sloppy, but by shutting off Logic tracks, I'm directly hearing SFP and seeing a score in Logic.
I'll create a new part in SFP and immediately export out/and import into Logic. This has been a helpful. I'll look at a track and make note of where I want it to get busier, sparser, and go back to SFP and alter the track, then export back into Logic.
Since I'm using MIDI hardware, the clones don't work for me.
After several months I'm beginning to think that I want to use SFP as a stand alone application. Which would mean I need access to see individual note list editors and hand enter CC and sysex data, that SFP is not capable of.
I would love to see the accompianment page to also double as a mixer - to quickly edit parameters, rather then jump around containers, and edit individual tracks.
SFP is great.. I anxious await to see how it grows..