with all the links in the text in blue you are jumping around
Well, you just need to resist clicking on the links ;-) Then you have something very close to a PDF, if you follow the table of contents on the left sidebar in each top-level chapter.
We still have problems including the application's icons with the PDF. Otherwise making the PDF is a 100% automated task. At some point we will figure out.
Today I was working only on the top part (melody /Arp) of your piano arrangement . I played with parameters and the end result from the export midifile in the DAW with Serum Synth as overlay is nice. So not using the chords and Bass from Synfire. The original pitch is lost during the import process and to use and adjust it in the DAW will take a lot of time and it will still sound a bit off.
The snippet feature is nice. I can place several phrases with different parameters in the slots and listen.
A bug regarding the tempo indicator, I suppose: The display field next to the transport bar does not show the actual tempo during playback. Instead it shows the tempo value of the currently selected container. Which is ok as long as playback is stopped. During playback it should show the actual tempo, I guess.
The track sheet also has a Global Parameters track. Surprisingly you can also enter instrument related parameters there, such as figure, transpose, etc. Does that make sense? Obviously those parameters cannot produce any sound, as no instrument can be assigned to the Global Parameters track.
Edit: That's interesting: If you enter a transpose parameter into the Global Parameters track it seems to affect all instruments. Then for some parameters it makes sense indeed.
At playback, the "Follow Parameter Trace" for the Tempo parameter works only if an instrument is selected, but not if the Global Parameters track is selected.
That's enough bugs for today. I will be quiet now :)
Yep. In the meantime, I have found that out, too. And it is actually a quite useful feature. You can use it for example for layeríng sounds. Place a figure in the global track and all instruments of the arrangement will play it. Just as you would create a complex sound with multiple voices in a synth. And then, of course, you have the possibility to edit every single voice of this layered sound with the individual parameters. Very nice.
That's the nice thing about this software, you always discover something new even after years. And sometimes a supposed bug turns out to be a feature :)
I'am editing the old Synfire 1 PDF. Great with a lot of screenshots. Very good to the point info So looking at the online help Synfire 2 . And it is text , headers, links . This is not the one we like to have offline in a PDF.
When selecting a Figure and pressing Ctrl+E to copy it to the Library, the Figure is copied but does not keep the value
Tempo = 90.
The Figure is always inserted with a Tempo value = 120 bpm.
Leaving the Chords and Bass unchanged in the Daw and work only on the top Melody /Arp and export to the DAW is very Basic. You can not work on the Harmony because that is fixed in the DAW (by leaving the Chords and Bass intakt) .
I'm using the latest pro version on macbook pro (just to address the specific build and platform) there is something unpleasant with the container, main container specifically, attempting to resizing it there is no visual way to precisely adjust it to specific bar/time, not any kind of indicator in the timeline or ghost shaped to show where it goes and snap to a logical point something like that.
Finished the edit off Synfire 1 manual. Time now to see some (old) YT videos. The one from you (containers and parameters) give a right direction the way to go. Make an other smaller container and put parameters and even a harmony (cancel out the global harmony for that part) . What I noticed with Synfire 2 that the smaller container will be inside the main container. (seems to be default now) Will do the job but with Synfire1 in your video it is under the main container.
So working on your From piano midi encoded by you (Thanks) I made the Harmony Cm for the whole main container ( same as you did in your video parameters in containers. What is happening . In Synfire I hear an other kind of melody , chords and Bass. Have to export midi to the Daw to see the results compare to the one with the one having the full Harmony in the container. And what will be presented on the Chord track in Cubase?? Is it Cm or will Cubase decode the exported midi from the Synfire phrases to a harmony??
While watching some old Synfire 1 YT videos( the one from Blue Phoenix on Harmonizing Bass is great ). Reading manual on Auto Bass , Auto Chord in Synfire is not clear but in this video it is explained very well . Also how to prepare a audio to midi file for import in Synfire . ( Legato setting in Ableton , cancel the Velosity . )
Have to look in the manuals Synfire 1 and 2 on Auto bass Auto chords . Nothing . Then analyse the YT video from 6 years ago and his mouse go to interpretation and then Auto Bass. (Not shure if this is a pro feature it is under morphing that is Pro only) . Will see if it is in Synfire 2. Also he is adjusting the range. So it is not an fast and easy procedure but quit uniek
Edit: Yes working in Synfire 2. Amazing . It is short in the online manual search Auto-Bass and Auto-Chords . Who is typing the - ??
Amazing is happening in the Daw after Synfire export the Auto-Bass and Auto-Chord midi. By adding figure(s) on the track it will getting wild. With only one strait line as figure you will hear the Bass tone changing. (With Midi we see a line and hear only one Bass tone). With Synfire you see a line but you have also to look at the harmony track on top that will result in a rhythm of changing Bass tones in scale. And it can go wilder with changing parameters. Humans can not understand what is going on but it is no problem for Andre female AI assistant KIM .
The original piano and the export midi Auto-Bass from synfire. Nice for practice but I think it must not be used prof. Or after a lot of Midi editng in the DAW
import and decode a piano midifile in Synfire will create a progression track . Decode the piano audiofile in Cubase will generate a chord track. We can see differences. What I noticed is that the chord change is not always on the beat Grid. The simple figures we draw in Synfire are normaly on the grid. And then you will notice a bit strange flow in the Daw. You will hear the step in the harmony and the step from the figures. Ok it is key . I noticed in the progression track you have settings Quantize and grid 1,2,4,8,16,32 that put the progression more on the grid. Have not looked if Cubase have a simular setting.
Yes but you have to watch Blue Phoenix YT video from 6 (yes six) years ago. Be aware that your progression is on the grid before starting draw some simple Bass or chord figures
Tue, 2022-11-08 - 11:00 Permalink
Starting up and is it me in the text no midi export????? . Midi export is working
Tue, 2022-11-08 - 17:03 Permalink
Well, you just need to resist clicking on the links ;-) Then you have something very close to a PDF, if you follow the table of contents on the left sidebar in each top-level chapter.
We still have problems including the application's icons with the PDF. Otherwise making the PDF is a 100% automated task. At some point we will figure out.
Tue, 2022-11-08 - 17:51 Permalink
see (https://docs.cognitone.com/synfire/EN/concepts/Rendering.html#concept.p…)
Excellent explanation.
Tue, 2022-11-08 - 18:52 Permalink
Andre,
Today I was working only on the top part (melody /Arp) of your piano arrangement . I played with parameters and the end result from the export midifile in the DAW with Serum Synth as overlay is nice. So not using the chords and Bass from Synfire. The original pitch is lost during the import process and to use and adjust it in the DAW will take a lot of time and it will still sound a bit off.
The snippet feature is nice. I can place several phrases with different parameters in the slots and listen.
Tue, 2022-11-08 - 19:00 Permalink
A bug regarding the tempo indicator, I suppose: The display field next to the transport bar does not show the actual tempo during playback. Instead it shows the tempo value of the currently selected container. Which is ok as long as playback is stopped. During playback it should show the actual tempo, I guess.
Tue, 2022-11-08 - 19:54 Permalink
The track sheet also has a Global Parameters track. Surprisingly you can also enter instrument related parameters there, such as figure, transpose, etc. Does that make sense? Obviously those parameters cannot produce any sound, as no instrument can be assigned to the Global Parameters track.
Edit: That's interesting: If you enter a transpose parameter into the Global Parameters track it seems to affect all instruments. Then for some parameters it makes sense indeed.
Tue, 2022-11-08 - 20:09 Permalink
At playback, the "Follow Parameter Trace" for the Tempo parameter works only if an instrument is selected, but not if the Global Parameters track is selected.
That's enough bugs for today. I will be quiet now :)
Tue, 2022-11-08 - 23:13 Permalink
Andre, amazing good results in DAW.
The original Midi Track1 with cut out the Top Melody /Arp notes
playing with
Export from Synfire midi on Daw Serum Track2 melody/Arp phrase with parameter variation strong (no repeat).
or with
Export from Synfire on Daw Serum Track3 the melody/Arp phrase with Edit (moving) Figures up or down (no repeat)
Wed, 2022-11-09 - 17:58 Permalink
It works for all parameters. Not many users seem to use this though.
Wed, 2022-11-09 - 19:17 Permalink
Yep. In the meantime, I have found that out, too. And it is actually a quite useful feature. You can use it for example for layeríng sounds. Place a figure in the global track and all instruments of the arrangement will play it. Just as you would create a complex sound with multiple voices in a synth. And then, of course, you have the possibility to edit every single voice of this layered sound with the individual parameters. Very nice.
That's the nice thing about this software, you always discover something new even after years. And sometimes a supposed bug turns out to be a feature :)
Thu, 2022-11-10 - 15:35 Permalink
I'am editing the old Synfire 1 PDF. Great with a lot of screenshots. Very good to the point info So looking at the online help Synfire 2 . And it is text , headers, links . This is not the one we like to have offline in a PDF.
Thu, 2022-11-10 - 17:08 Permalink
Particularly useful for setting a default interpretation for all instruments to start with.
Thu, 2022-11-10 - 19:37 Permalink
Hi Andre
When selecting a Figure and pressing Ctrl+E to copy it to the Library, the Figure is copied but does not keep the value
Tempo = 90.
The Figure is always inserted with a Tempo value = 120 bpm.
I think it's a mistake.
Thu, 2022-11-10 - 23:02 Permalink
@ Nick , You are right that the manual for Synfire 2 falls short for the new uses to understand the operation of Synfire
Fri, 2022-11-11 - 00:42 Permalink
Leaving the Chords and Bass unchanged in the Daw and work only on the top Melody /Arp and export to the DAW is very Basic. You can not work on the Harmony because that is fixed in the DAW (by leaving the Chords and Bass intakt) .
See that Reaper 6.69 will support Rewire .
Fri, 2022-11-11 - 13:57 Permalink
Loenser, You have windows?
In isnt funcionally for me with CTRL-E
Dont copy Phrase to library.
Fri, 2022-11-11 - 17:14 Permalink
Thanks for reporting the Command-E issue. It's a bug.
For anything to be copied to the library, you need to select a Span in the phrase or parameter.
Fri, 2022-11-11 - 17:16 Permalink
Hi, Mach55
Yes, my version is Synfire v2 on Windows.
In the STRUCTURE window, open <Embedded Library>. View <Image_01.jpg>
Select the <Span> Tool.
Select the Figure or part of the Figure that we want to extract to the Library. View <Image_02.jpg>
Press <Ctrl + E> and the Figure will be inserted into the <Embedded Library>. See <Image_03.jpg>
Fri, 2022-11-11 - 17:36 Permalink
Uuuuuuum
I think we have repeated ourselves...
Thanks Andrew
Thanks Mach55
Fri, 2022-11-11 - 17:39 Permalink
I am sorry.
I'm not very good at inserting Posts.
Thanks Andre
Fri, 2022-11-11 - 18:24 Permalink
Sat, 2022-11-12 - 10:43 Permalink
Hi Andre
I'm using the latest pro version on macbook pro (just to address the specific build and platform) there is something unpleasant with the container, main container specifically, attempting to resizing it there is no visual way to precisely adjust it to specific bar/time, not any kind of indicator in the timeline or ghost shaped to show where it goes and snap to a logical point something like that.
Wed, 2022-11-16 - 12:49 Permalink
Andre,
Finished the edit off Synfire 1 manual. Time now to see some (old) YT videos. The one from you (containers and parameters) give a right direction the way to go. Make an other smaller container and put parameters and even a harmony (cancel out the global harmony for that part) . What I noticed with Synfire 2 that the smaller container will be inside the main container. (seems to be default now) Will do the job but with Synfire1 in your video it is under the main container.
So working on your From piano midi encoded by you (Thanks) I made the Harmony Cm for the whole main container ( same as you did in your video parameters in containers. What is happening . In Synfire I hear an other kind of melody , chords and Bass. Have to export midi to the Daw to see the results compare to the one with the one having the full Harmony in the container. And what will be presented on the Chord track in Cubase?? Is it Cm or will Cubase decode the exported midi from the Synfire phrases to a harmony??
While watching some old Synfire 1 YT videos( the one from Blue Phoenix on Harmonizing Bass is great ). Reading manual on Auto Bass , Auto Chord in Synfire is not clear but in this video it is explained very well . Also how to prepare a audio to midi file for import in Synfire . ( Legato setting in Ableton , cancel the Velosity . )
Wed, 2022-11-16 - 14:24 Permalink
Have to look in the manuals Synfire 1 and 2 on Auto bass Auto chords . Nothing . Then analyse the YT video from 6 years ago and his mouse go to interpretation and then Auto Bass. (Not shure if this is a pro feature it is under morphing that is Pro only) . Will see if it is in Synfire 2. Also he is adjusting the range. So it is not an fast and easy procedure but quit uniek
Edit: Yes working in Synfire 2. Amazing . It is short in the online manual search Auto-Bass and Auto-Chords . Who is typing the - ??
Wed, 2022-11-16 - 17:26 Permalink
Amazing is happening in the Daw after Synfire export the Auto-Bass and Auto-Chord midi. By adding figure(s) on the track it will getting wild. With only one strait line as figure you will hear the Bass tone changing. (With Midi we see a line and hear only one Bass tone). With Synfire you see a line but you have also to look at the harmony track on top that will result in a rhythm of changing Bass tones in scale. And it can go wilder with changing parameters. Humans can not understand what is going on but it is no problem for Andre female AI assistant KIM .
Wed, 2022-11-16 - 19:14 Permalink
Andre ,
The original piano and the export midi Auto-Bass from synfire. Nice for practice but I think it must not be used prof. Or after a lot of Midi editng in the DAW
Wed, 2022-11-16 - 19:39 Permalink
Do you know now how the auto chord and auto bass is working in Synfire?
Wed, 2022-11-16 - 23:00 Permalink
import and decode a piano midifile in Synfire will create a progression track . Decode the piano audiofile in Cubase will generate a chord track. We can see differences. What I noticed is that the chord change is not always on the beat Grid. The simple figures we draw in Synfire are normaly on the grid. And then you will notice a bit strange flow in the Daw. You will hear the step in the harmony and the step from the figures. Ok it is key . I noticed in the progression track you have settings Quantize and grid 1,2,4,8,16,32 that put the progression more on the grid. Have not looked if Cubase have a simular setting.
Wed, 2022-11-16 - 23:07 Permalink
Yes but you have to watch Blue Phoenix YT video from 6 (yes six) years ago. Be aware that your progression is on the grid before starting draw some simple Bass or chord figures
Thu, 2022-11-17 - 05:37 Permalink
Synfire 2.0.12 Build#4 on Mac M1 MacMini:
The very valuable function to add "Bemerkungen" (german, not sure of name in english locale) to a container seems flaky.
I added text, then moved to another container added there text,and when I moved back to first container the text was lost or partly lost.
Please try to reproduce.