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When it will be possible that the Palette shows chords that belonging to a choosen key ?
For example: the most basic..let the palette show the triads for a C major key ..
( i know out the top of my head : C-D-Em-Fm-G-Am-Bdim-(C) )
Mon, 2013-10-07 - 12:10 Permalink
Thank you very much for your effort Juergen!
I am not after these particulair basic palettes , but the palettes are a aid for chordmodulations.
I am trying to make the chord modulations from Max Reger in the embedded pallete progression editor , other than using the circle of fifth.
Max Reger asks for a certain key degrees... chords, but this is on default palette not to see
It is not workable, to make for every key a palette : example Max Reger: modulation C major to gives 41 target keys. :?
In general i do want make any chordmodulation where written information is about it and translate it to the embedded palette
Every key has his own triads .. that information, i am looking for in the palette .
Max Reger comes with his modulationformulae and i translate this to the palette and progression
Enclosed the Palette for key C ..Synfire must come up with these triads chords belonging to the Cmajor key when i use the palette and choose Cmajor from the 3 default scales in the palette.
Enclosed also the Max reger example...constructing the notes from this example into the phrase editor is no problem, but constructing the chords into the modulation progressionsequenze with support of the palette is not (yet) possible.
For a Cmajor palette as example . the palette shows not the triads on the scale degrees.
The Max Reger example for Cmajor to Gmajor needs two keys : from both keys i do need information about the triads type ( in this case it is easy , because i do know the type of triads for Cmajor and Gmajor has the same type of chords in common ).
I realize suddenly now that the 3 scales made by Juergen( only 3 is boring he said ), could be sufficient for Max Reger modulation, because i know the triad chord types for the 3 scales.
But, how to make easy palettes for other than the 3 default (Cmajor-Anatural-minor and Aharmonic-minor)..laborious?
Mon, 2013-10-07 - 13:19 Permalink
But, how to make easy palettes for other than the 3 default (Cmajor-Anatural-minor and Aharmonic-minor)..laborious?
What other palettes do you mean? For example the Gmajor palette? You can simply use the Cmajor palette I have posted and change the root note of it by using the command: Palette > root > G, then you get the corresponding palette in Gmajor. It's that simple.
For doing modulations, you should have both palettes open, i. e. the "start key palette" (for instance the C major palette) and the "target key palette" (for instance the G major palette). Then you can easily see , which chords both keys have in common. When you click at a chord in one palette, this chord will be highlighted in all other open palettes which contain that chord. For me this is a great help and time saver. It saves you all this mental arithmetic.
Mon, 2013-10-07 - 15:30 Permalink
Sorry off topic I know... but having read all of this post, my head hurts
I am sorry i don't want it make that complicated that you loose interest.
But start with the basics: A Cmajor scale ..on every note you can build a triad ( only the white keys on your controller keyboard )
If you build op triads on every step of the scale of Cmajor : you get : Cmajor-Dminor-Eminor-Fmajor-Gmajor-Aminor- Bdimished- and back to Cmajor ( 1 octave ) TRIADS and Max reger gives us a formulae to use triads for modulation
:) That is much easier to understand than Einstein : E= 1/2 m c^2
Searching for the lost Chords-moody blues
Mon, 2013-10-07 - 15:38 Permalink
What other palettes do you mean?
All those other scales that you labelled as not boring than ;)
That's is good tip Juergen how to work with the modulations : open 2 palettes !
Problem was that the helptext in the palette advised : Ctr + Click to see the shared chords of two keys
You start with a source key selecting and Ctrl + Click on the targetkey , but it shows still one palette and i thought also in the video about this subject... it shows not 2 keys.|
That saves indeed the mental arithmic ! and for this reason therefore i searched for another method to perform a modulation.
I try this out with 2 palettes what is more intuitive way ( i did not come up this approach ..or by experiment )
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Yes i studied the video about modulation and it uses only one key to explain this ...difficult ( for me ) to modulate between keys with this workflow.
That's why i am struggling all the time with modulation in Synfire --> better is to have two keys open for modulation