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I understand static importing of a melody phrase... I imported the same part (a long trombone) played by han into the arrangement page. I solo'd and exported this, and then imported 3 times, 1st as static, 2nd as linear, and 3rd as Pattern Recognition with independent lne.. They all gave me 18 phrases and they look the same. (I only checked out 2 of the busiest parts)
Am I correct in assuming although they look the same they will behave differently when put into an arrangement?
Does it matter how I import them, cause I can process them again when inside the arrangement? I'm really not sure what happens..
Thanx..
Sun, 2012-10-21 - 03:07 Permalink
I'm butting in and guessing that there will be little if any difference in the linear and pattern recognition modes with monophonic material.
But there must be in static between the others, else the phrase would be unable to harmonize.
I was thinking of trying some of those different import parameters on a drum track to see what type of John Cage like percussion I might come up with.
I think some oriental musician was asked once upon hearing his first symphony, which part he preferred. He said he didn't know the name of the part, but he really best liked the first part before the guy got out there with the stick.
Prado
Sun, 2012-10-21 - 10:40 Permalink
Is it possible by importing a phrase with different pattern recognition that i can get interesting variations of the phrase to use in my arrangement?
Yes this is possible. To try out a new pattern recognition alogrithm you don't even need to make a new MIDI import. Just select the 'Take' parameter of the desired instrument, change the algorithm settings and then press 'Apply'.
Sun, 2012-10-21 - 10:48 Permalink
Is it possible by importing a phrase with different pattern recognition that i can get interesting variations of the phrase to use in my arrangement?
I think the pattern recognition is not invented for generating new phrases..it is not a phrase generator
I get the idea the real changes of a phrase are done after they are imported?
Sun, 2012-10-21 - 15:36 Permalink
Does it matter how I import them
Did you import into a library with "Create Phrase Pools" enabled? This has a known bug that will be fixed with the next update. Manual import settings are not deployed to all phrases.
Sun, 2012-10-21 - 18:24 Permalink
@ Juergan: Yes this is possible. To try out a new pattern recognition alogrithm you don't even need to make a new MIDI import. Just select the 'Take' parameter of the desired instrument, change the algorithm settings and then press 'Apply'.
This is great. So the 'Take' contains the original midi data ... and retains it, prior to the different algorithms converting it to the current 'Figure.'
On KVR they have a 'one synth' challenge where they pick a different synth each month and have a contest for who can make the best song using only sounds from that one synth. On Acid Planet they have ... or had ... 8 loop contests where the would see who could make the best song from a set of 8 different acidized, i.e., audio with pitch and transient slice info embedded, loops.
I'm sure that I could make a pretty good song from just 8 instruments with one original midi phrase each, but using the phrase editor, parameters and instrument mixer to vary the content into something very musical.
Prado
Sun, 2012-10-21 - 21:13 Permalink
Juergen:
So re-interpreting with take, can duplicate most of your options on 'import' are.. I was beginnning to think that... I guess, although the phrase may look the same, the data collected from the import or alternate 'take' gives SFP a different set of data to work with when processing an instrument again.
Yeah more theory on how SFP works, might be very helpful.. I have a Yamaha Tryos 4... It is an 'arranger' kbd.. It can come up with some truly great parts.. The average user is in their 60's and most use it as a one man band.. (like Band in a box on steroids). But there a lot of menu pages, which reveal the complexity. While Yamaha explains almost nothing about how their famiy of arranger kbds work. A lot have people have discussed their findings.. And I once found a long article written by the primary code writer for Tyros 4 software...
It really gave me a lot of insight, about how it worked, and the possibilities the programmer had put in there. Some of these features, Yamaha doesn't use or mention anywhere..
Some background info on how Andre arrived at this command or that command would I'm sure make interesting reading and give us insight on how to approach the software.. Right now though, he has much more pressing issues on his agender. I at first was more interested and accustomed to linear recording. Cause my primary use of SFP is to take songs started in Logic with Tyros 4. But from Andre's and Supertonics answers and comments, I'm making more use of how SFP was originally designed to be used.