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When using the palette with a minor key, I see that by 'clicking' one of the scale types you can make that the primary scale. But when you go on to selecting a chord, then the other ones also turn back blue.
I'd like, for example, to only use chords fitting a melodic minor.
Is there a way to restrict the chords displayed to a single scale?
Also, what I I want to use a more exotic scale? Is there a way to set up the palettes for other than the standard Major and Minor?
I am thinking of modal progressions or Arabic scales.
Prado
Fri, 2012-09-28 - 15:49 Permalink
If you want to restrict the palette to just one scale you simply have to delete all the other scales from the scale set of the palette. The scale set of the standard minor palette includes the scales natural-minor, harmonic-minor and melodic-minor, where the scale natural-minor is the reference (primary) scale. If you want to have a palette that is built only upon the melodic-minor scale then do the following:
1. open a standard palette for a minor key
2. make melodic-minor become the reference scale (click on the triangle next to the scale label at the palette)
3. delete the natural-minor and harmonic-minor scales.
Then only the chords of the melodic-minor scale remain at the palette and you can save this palette for later reuse. The same way you can build up palettes on any desired scale. Just browse the catalog for the desired scale or define your own scale and add it to the catalog.
Fri, 2012-09-28 - 18:36 Permalink
Thanks very much!
I was wondering about 'deleting' a scale, but I couldn't figure out how from the palette window. When I tried to go into 'setup' from the menus, the GUI froze?
So, do you edit/ modify an open palette from the open palette window and, if so, how?
Or, do you have to go into the menus to edit it and, if so, which one?
Prado
Fri, 2012-09-28 - 19:57 Permalink
I was wondering about 'deleting' a scale, but I couldn't figure out how from the palette window.You can delete (or add) a scale or a chord directly at the palette window with the context menu. Click at a chord or at the label of a scale, then open the context menu with the right mouse button and then execute the delete command.
Fri, 2012-09-28 - 21:37 Permalink
Thanks, again for the help.
OK ... I'm starting to get it!
One more conundrum: scales and keys (or scale root notes).
So far in the Catalog, when I highlight a vertical scale and open a pallete, it always shows the palette with the first note/ chord (One position) 'C.'
Where do you change this in the palette, for example if you wanted a progression in A Phrygian with the palette progression showin 'A' instead of 'C' in the one chord?
I also am confused about the way the tonic, dominant and subdominant are labeled in the palette. I would think that whatever scale you open from the catalog ... even if it defaults to 'C,' would have that I (One) chord as tonic. Could you also explain that, please?
Fri, 2012-09-28 - 23:17 Permalink
Where do you change this in the palette, for example if you wanted a progression in A Phrygian with the palette progression showin 'A' instead of 'C' in the one chord?
The root note of a palette can be changed with 'Edit >> Root'
I also am confused about the way the tonic, dominant and subdominant are labeled in the palette. I would think that whatever scale you open from the catalog ... even if it defaults to 'C,' would have that I (One) chord as tonic. Could you also explain that, please?
The terms tonic, subdominant and dominant are applicable only at the traditional major/minor tonal system. If you create a palette based on, say the "raga-ragesri" scale, you can not expect the usual labeling of the chords. If the labels T, S or D appear in such a palette, then this means that Synfire found some chords in this palette where these terms make sense in relation to a tonal scale (and not in relation to the raga-ragesri scale for example). Supertonic or Andre may correct me, if I'm wrong ;-)
Fri, 2012-09-28 - 23:42 Permalink
Juergen,
Your a 'Prince.' Thankyou.
I note that when I opened a palette from the 'melodic-minor' scale in the Catalog, it showed 'C' as the first chord in the progression (or whatever the proper HN2 term for the listing of chords from Tonic, Supertonic, Mediant, etc.).
However, the palette showed it as the Dominant, not the Tonic. I would have thought in traditional major and minor scales this would be the Tonic.
That was specifically what confused me.
I note that if I enter a chord, say an A minor, in the sonq window and use the context menu to open a suitable menu, it opens with the 3 minor scales, but the Am identified as Tonic. I can then delete the two scales I don't want to use and it works fine.
Prado
Sat, 2012-09-29 - 00:56 Permalink
I note that when I opened a palette from the 'melodic-minor' scale in the Catalog, it showed 'C' as the first chord in the progression (or whatever the proper HN2 term for the listing of chords from Tonic, Supertonic, Mediant, etc.).
However, the palette showed it as the Dominant, not the Tonic. I would have thought in traditional major and minor scales this would be the Tonic.
Hm, when I open the melodic-minor scale in the catalog, I get Cm as the first chord and it is labeled as "t" (see attached picture). I'm not sure what's going on if it shows as the dominant for you. Have you executed a command like "assume F as the tonal center"? Then C would be considered as dominant. Maybe something like that happened.
