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Is 'Rhythm' parameter a groove quantizer? Unexpected results.

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I haven't put this to the 'acid test' by rendering to midi and examining the file, but I am pretty sure  that what I observed is consistent, basic behavior, since I was able to replicate it.

 

A standard 'groove quantizer' does not affect note length, only note start position.

 

I had a rhythmic organ phrase blasting fairly long stabby chords. I dragged the figure to a blippy high register arp phrase, dropping it on the rhythm parameter.

 

I expected that notes close to the time position of the onset of the organ chords would be 'markers' to shift the note onset positions of the 'blippy arp.'

 

What happened was that notes at the onset position were changed into similar length notes to that of the stabby chord, while others seemed to be repositioned properly, i.e., those with different onsets.

 

It seems that the figure dropped on rhythm changed some of  the notes' lengths as well as the the note position.

 

Is this expected behavior?

 

If it is, I would dearly wish that more typical 'groove quantizing' was instituted in HN2.

 

If this is only an issue with NHLE/2 ... does SFP/ E handle this differently?

 

Prado


Tue, 2012-10-16 - 18:08 Permalink

Rhythm can change the note length, although it currently does not do that (not used). The effect you noticed must be caused by something different.

Tied notes? Legato?

Tue, 2012-10-16 - 18:22 Permalink

Is there a difference in length in bars ?
I can imagine quantizing a 4 bar piece with a 1 bar groove, things get shorter...does that sound logic ?

Tue, 2012-10-16 - 19:27 Permalink

Supertonic wrote:

Rhythm can change the note length, although it currently does not do that (not used). The effect you noticed must be caused by something different.

Tied notes? Legato?

 

I'll double check, but I am quite sure there was neither tied notes or legato on either original figure.

 

Good to know it is not supposed to happen.

 

I don't really understand your comment that rhythm can change the note length, but it's not implemented. A possible future feature?

 

Is it possible that the very short notes might somehow have led to triggering of this otherwise inactive process when a figure with almost entirely notes of 3/8ths or longer was used as the rhythm source?

 

I haven't seen any basic quantization setting in HN2. Is there one?

I'm wondering if the algorithm moves the nearest note to the note onset position of the figure used for rhythm, or whether the whole phrase has all of its note onset positions rescaled around some reading of the rhythm source figure.

 

Prado

 

 

Tue, 2012-10-16 - 19:29 Permalink

Phy6 wrote: Is there a difference in length in bars ?
I can imagine quantizing a 4 bar piece with a 1 bar groove, things get shorter...does that sound logic ?

 

Both phrases were 8 bars, for what it's worth.

 

Prado

Tue, 2012-10-16 - 19:34 Permalink

I'm going to look into this further. I'll import some phrases with known 'swing' or 'groove,' use them for rhythm, then render the midi files and see how the original midi data is initially interpreted by HN2 and how it affects other phrases.

 

I'm hoping the end result will be exactly like the source file. Then I'll start making a serious 'groove' library.

 

Prado